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A Conversation Among Friends
<\/span>January 18-19, 2007<\/span>
left to right: John Wright, moderator, George Lindbeck, David Burrell, Stanley Hauerwas.<\/span>
\"\"<\/a>Nazarene Theological Seminary hosted gathering of great theological minds this past week. Stanley Hauerwas, George Lindbeck and David Burrell gathered to publicly discuss the question \u201cIs the reformation over?\u201d Me and a couple of friends went to listen to them and I have to tell you I was pretty blown away. All three have ties to Yale and Burrell and Hauerwas were at Notre Dame together. They\u2019ve all maintained a friendship, catching up with each other all over the world as they travel, write, speak and teach about theology, ethics, philosphy, ecumenism and more. All of these guys have been widely read and are giants in their fields.<\/p>\n

Lindbeck went first<\/strong><\/span>. He told stories about being a young theologian coming up in the Lutheran Church. He\u2019s the son of Lutheran missionaries who became enamored by his Catholic cousins and the Catholic church by extension. He went to Yale to study medieval philosophy, not because he was interested in it but because he wanted to study the contemporary Catholic Church and that was the prescribed pathway. In 1949 he went to Paris to get his PhD. Can you imagine being in Paris as a student in the wake of WWII? Later, while teaching at Yale, he was asked to be one of 3 official observers to the Vatican II Council. He told a lot of stories of being behind the scenes as the Catholic Church answered some of the final issues from the reformation protests.<\/p>\n

He told great stories. One story in particular was of a closed door audience with the Pope and all of the other observers (I think he said there were 41). He said John XXIII stood up and addressed them off the cuff in French. The pontiff told them when he was a boy, every morning he would wake up and his mother would tell him what to do and he would do it. Then at school he\u2019d wake up every morning and his teachers would tell him what to do and he\u2019d do it. Later the same was true of his professors. After he became a priest it was the head of his parish, then the bishop, then a cardinal and as he worked his way up there was always someone who would tell him what to do when he got up in the mornings. Then he became Pope, which of course got a big laugh \u2013 who tells the pope what to do? Then he recited Lamentations 3:23 \u201cgreat is his faithfulness, his mercies are new every morning.\u201d He explained that this council was the result of his obedience to God whose mercies are new every morning. What a great story.<\/p>\n

David Burrell went next<\/span><\/strong>. He did similar life\/history story telling. He\u2019s probably the one with the most wit. Here are a few quotes I wrote down:<\/p>\n

\u201cThere are two kinds of people in the world: those who NEED certitude, and those who search for truth.\u201d His point being that the world needs more of the latter.<\/p>\n

\u201cDoing theology is being an apprentice to the master.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cGraduate studies is as much networking as it is education.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThere are a lot of unscrupulous adults making money off the youth culture.\u201d<\/p>\n

Much of what Burrell is now working on is a dialogue between the Islamic, Jewish and Christian faiths. His thesis is basically that if one engages in dialogue with other faiths and the goal is this need for certitude, it will be a disaster. But if the goal is to search for the truth, then those sort of dialogues are incredibly helpful. Gaining understanding only brings one closer to the heart of God. He now lives in Jerusalem and teaches there, working to create this dialogue among Abrahamic faiths.<\/p>\n

Stanley Hauerwas went third<\/span><\/strong>. He was on pretty good behavior, but couldn\u2019t help cussing some \u2013 which I just mention because the Nazarenes are so conservative about that sort of thing. Here are a few Hauerwas quotes:<\/p>\n

\u201cJustification by faith is a Christological move, more than an Anthropological move.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cI distrust conversion so deeply because it is such an invitation to narcissism.\u201d<\/p>\n

About his days at Yale and Notre Dame and his long friendship with the other two men: \u201cWe weren\u2019t trying to change the answers to the old questions, we were trying to change the questions. And doing that requires a lot of reworking \u2013 especially of yourself.\u201d<\/p>\n

Christianity is discovering \u201ca unity that God has given us, that we have not made.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cScholarship is habit, linguistic habit.\u201d<\/p>\n

Speaking about the way John Paul II died: \u201cI wish he would have died sooner\u2026he ended up a prisoner to the Vatican. It\u2019s one of the great tasks before us to reclaim our own deaths from modern medicine.\u201d<\/p>\n

About his friendship with the other guys: \u201cWe\u2019re not friends because we\u2019re desperate, but because we share a common joy. And the world is desperate fort hat joy.\u201d<\/p>\n

He said in the Methodist church everyone thinks ordination of homosexuals is their big issue. He says their big issue is adultery. \u201cOur congregants are so messed up and because we don\u2019t work for a living, we\u2019re supposed to help fix it all. We\u2019re so taxed and stressed and essentially lonely. We carry so much pain, and we go home to our spouse\u2026and no spouse should have to love somebody that much. We just long to be touched and often we find that touch in the wrong places.\u201d<\/p>\n

His parting shot was \u201cBe not afraid, don\u2019t be afraid of speech. It\u2019s a great gift we give to help people not to be robbed of their speech. Jesus is lord, let me show you all of the things you need to know to live with that one. That is why, and you\u2019re not going to believe I\u2019m going to say this, you can\u2019t read the Bible enough, because that\u2019s where you get the grammar. And we\u2019re all gonna be dead before you know it\u2026so it\u2019s up to you now.\u201d<\/p>\n

In their closing sessions they were all three together in discussion. I didn\u2019t take that great of notes on this part because I was just enjoying watching them all. I most remember Lindbeck saying that perhaps what is happening today is that God is destroying the church bit by bit so that he can build it up again in his own image. \u201cWe meet Christ most deeply when we live deeply in our own tradition. The best ecumenists are those who live most deeply into their own tradition.\u201d<\/p>\n

All in all I was really struck by their hope and optimism. Lindbeck said at one point, \u201cOne of the great advantages of getting to live for a long time is that one learns to distrust completely any predictions of the future.\u201d These are all men who have world class minds and educations. They are more widely read than any 10 people I know. Because of their work and acclaim they have access to behind the scenes information about the church and theology on every continent. Becuase of their field they are well versed in the current trends amond Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Musilims. If there is cause for cynicism, these guys would find it. But they spoke of hope and goodness and the prevailing nature of the Kingdom of God. I was really encouraged by my time with these three amazing scholars and writers.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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