{"id":75,"date":"2011-10-04T17:49:00","date_gmt":"2011-10-04T17:49:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/permissiontolive\/2011\/10\/am-i-an-atheist\/"},"modified":"2011-10-04T17:49:00","modified_gmt":"2011-10-04T17:49:00","slug":"am-i-an-atheist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/permissiontolive\/2011\/10\/am-i-an-atheist.html","title":{"rendered":"Am I an Atheist?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><span style=\"font-size: large\">I haven\u2019t had a moment<\/span> where I\u2019ve decided I don\u2019t believe in God,<span>\u00a0 <\/span>a \u201cconversion\u201d to some other position.\u00a0My faith questions and doubts have been a journey\u00a0that I\u2019ve reflected here on my blog in several posts. But after <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.com\/2011\/08\/over-spiritualized-no-longer.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">my post on spiritualizing the night<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">, I got several comments and emails asking when I had become an atheist. I am still thinking about this question, because I don\u2019t really know the answer. I\u2019m not even sure I am an Atheist.<\/span><br><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align: center\"><em><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">When does one become an Atheist? Does it happen when you don\u2019t feel a spiritual connection with God? Is it when you start to disagree with stuff in the bible? Are you an Atheist when you associate with other Atheists? Or only when you declare yourself one? <span>\u00a0<\/span>I don\u2019t know.<\/span><\/em><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">I grew up with a\u00a0God. And\u00a0I still\u00a0like the idea of a God, but I have no feeling of knowing one or trust that one of the religions out there has God figured out. And I\u2019m not \u201cpretending\u201d to have faith <em>just in case<\/em> there is a God, a sort of fake it till I make it endeavour. Besides, if there is a God, he wouldn\u2019t be fooled by my pretending anyways.<\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-FdZwEYUBn9Q\/TouMVuapAwI\/AAAAAAAAA0g\/y1ch_3CmKqE\/s1600\/religious-crosses-2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"303\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-FdZwEYUBn9Q\/TouMVuapAwI\/AAAAAAAAA0g\/y1ch_3CmKqE\/s320\/religious-crosses-2.jpg\" width=\"320\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">I am a Pastor\u2019s wife, so I attend two church services every Sunday, as well as a bible study and church events during the week. I do not feel a need to \u201cconvert\u201d people, I have no way of knowing who is \u201cright\u201d anyways. My husband knows where I\u2019m at, and he is OK with it. He has heard me, debated with me, and loved me through all of this. <span>\u00a0<\/span>I had someone\u00a0comment that they are sorry for my husband\u2019s church, I\u2019m not sure why.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>No one at church knows that I have serious doubts. I understand that it would be inappropriate for me to debate questions of faith with people in our church. They are good sweet people and I don\u2019t wish my questions and doubts on any of them. <em>That is part of why I started this blog, as a place I could wrestle openly with my faith questions and get interaction from people who freely choose to read them.<\/em> <\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><span style=\"font-size: large\">Recently I received<\/span> an email that said that if I truly was a Pastor\u2019s wife who did not know Jesus in a personal way, then I was a hypocrite who needed to stop \u201cplaying church\u201d. I\u2019m not sure why this is the case. Am I truly the only one who sits through a church service and wonders if it is all true? Is every single other person in church a solid believer filled with faith and religious experiences to prove it? What does \u201cplaying church\u201d even mean? I know that on my part I go to church with an open heart every single Sunday. I read, I sing, I listen, I hope. <em>Hope for what? I hardly know, just that something will happen, that perhaps all of my faith will come flooding back?<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">I also received a comment asking if I would pray on my deathbed. I\u2019ve thought about that too. We pray a prayer of thanks before meals, and a prayer for peace before bed. In the moment of silence before the church service I pray the same prayer for my husband that I have always prayed, \u201cMay his words be your words and not his own,\u201d\u00a0so I still pray.\u00a0I don\u2019t know if I would pray on my deathbed. At this point in my life I probably would. <span>\u00a0<\/span>Many times prayer has been a source of anxiety in my life, so I think I would still gravitate towards prayers I\u2019ve found healing or calming in the past. This question reminds me of a story I remember hearing from someone about her ex-catholic mother who despite being a protestant for many years, found herself praying along an invisible rosary while waiting in the hospital to hear if her son would survive a traffic accident. I wonder if I would be like that.<\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-gRIjY0kwyBo\/TouMgE1st4I\/AAAAAAAAA0k\/lmhAvzVqt2w\/s1600\/question.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-gRIjY0kwyBo\/TouMgE1st4I\/AAAAAAAAA0k\/lmhAvzVqt2w\/s200\/question.jpg\" width=\"135\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><span style=\"font-size: large\">My thought process<\/span>involving God has changed in the last few months. I\u2019ll try to explain how I currently understand the existence of God.<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><strong>Option 1:<\/strong> There is no God. <em>If God does not exist, then I am worrying and trying to have faith in something I can\u2019t understand for no reason, there is no God to please.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><strong>Option 2:<\/strong> There is a God, but God is a non-personal entity who does not care about humanity. God is a being that set the world in motion, but does not intervene or care about it.<em> In this case, again, I am worrying over nothing, God is not waiting for me to come up with the right words or formula. God does not care.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><strong>Option 3:<\/strong> There is a God, and that God loves unconditionally and cares about humanity.<span>\u00a0 <\/span><em>In this case, God will be patient with my faults. If God truly loves unconditionally then God will even understand if I can never really get my faith together in this life. Unconditional love means just that, love without conditions.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><strong>Option 4:<\/strong> There is a God, and this God has rules and laws about how you must live or what you must believe. God\u2019s love is conditional.<em> If this is God, I could be in trouble. This scenario means that I somehow have to decide which religion has the correct interpretation of God, and then do my best to please that God and live my life the way God wants me to. For a long time, fear of this God kept me scrambling. I had to figure out how to be whatever it was God wanted. I was afraid of going to Hell. Recently, I\u2019ve come to the point of feeling that if God\u2019s love is so conditional that God will send people to hell for not following the right formula, than I really don\u2019t want to spend an eternity in heaven with that God. That heaven sounds like Hell to me.<\/em> <\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">So if option #4 is God, I would basically get to choose between two hells. The Hell God will send me to if I am not right, or the Hell in which I will spend an eternity with a God who (despite his very conditional love) decided I was acceptable.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>I wrestled and wrestled with this idea. I get love being conditional in some sense. After all, if I was in a relationship where we had agreed to be exclusive, and that person ignored that agreement and cheated on me, I could understand ending that relationship.<span>\u00a0 <\/span><em>But I would not send that person to eternal torment, just a parting of ways would be sufficient.<\/em><span>\u00a0 <\/span>And despite what so many Christians seem to claim, I never had that direct line to God. I was kept in a constant state of guessing and hoping that I was doing the right thing for a God that I\u2019m not even sure exists.<\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-bp4Q5nJisMo\/TouMv3VaapI\/AAAAAAAAA0o\/8y213sEHMZE\/s1600\/artistic_backlit_autumn_leaves-600x412.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"219\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-bp4Q5nJisMo\/TouMv3VaapI\/AAAAAAAAA0o\/8y213sEHMZE\/s320\/artistic_backlit_autumn_leaves-600x412.jpg\" width=\"320\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><span style=\"font-size: large\">And that was when<\/span> I realized that there was a third Hell, and I was living in it here on earth.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>Despite all my growth as a person and as a parent, I was still stuck in this one-way relationship with a perfectionistic God that I wasn\u2019t entirely sure was not a figment of my imagination. And so I stepped off the hamster wheel. <em>I gave myself permission to take a break\u00a0from finding the answer for\u00a0the whole God thing.<\/em><span>\u00a0 <\/span>I wasn\u2019t hit by lightning and the world didn\u2019t stop spinning. I didn\u2019t have a sudden urge to steal, rape or kill. I stopped having <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.com\/2011\/03\/god-nightmare.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">nightmares about God<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">, I stopped worrying about how and what I was going to teach my kids about God, I stopped worrying about where I was headed if an afterlife exists, and I started living the life I am currently in.<span>\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">I\u2019m not even sure when this happened, I can\u2019t point to an exact moment. I can\u2019t claim to have figured out the answer to the God question, I honestly don\u2019t know. <em>But for the first time I am OK with not knowing.<\/em> I  even feel\u00a0OK if I never figure it out. I still read religious blogs and have religious friends that I value highly. I also read atheist blogs and have atheist friends that I value highly. So does all of this make me an Atheist? I don\u2019t know.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">**********************<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit\"><br><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri\"><em><span style=\"font-family: inherit\">I would like to add, that (as much as I enjoy your company) if you are reading my blog because you feel personally responsible for my salvation, if you feel stressed or upset after reading my posts, if you are wounded by my very raw and open thoughts about faith and life, then please don\u2019t read my blog. <span>\u00a0<\/span>Unfriend me, unfollow me, <span>\u00a0<\/span>I will understand. I blog about topics other than my faith dilemma, and <span>\u00a0<\/span>I welcome any and all comments, thoughts, questions and suggestions along my journey, but I am not seeking to be a source of pain or stress for people of faith.<\/span> <\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align: center\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I haven\u2019t had a moment where I\u2019ve decided I don\u2019t believe in God,\u00a0 a \u201cconversion\u201d to some other position.\u00a0My faith questions and doubts have been a journey\u00a0that I\u2019ve reflected here on my blog in several posts. 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