{"id":639,"date":"2011-11-22T17:15:15","date_gmt":"2011-11-22T22:15:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/phoenixandolivebranch.wordpress.com\/?p=639"},"modified":"2014-07-03T11:29:34","modified_gmt":"2014-07-03T15:29:34","slug":"modesty-a-response-to-common-misunderstandings","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/phoenixandolivebranch\/2011\/11\/modesty-a-response-to-common-misunderstandings\/","title":{"rendered":"Modesty: a response to common misunderstandings"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span style=\"color:#000000\">Inevitably, when I write about the modesty issue, I get some variation of the following responses:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">Modesty is about respecting yourself.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">Dressing \u201cimmodestly\u201d also objectifies you.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">Only my husband has the right to see those parts of me.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">Do you want everyone to walk around naked?<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">Even if men <em>are<\/em> responsible for themselves, we shouldn\u2019t tempt them.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">A new addition to this list comes from an anonymous commenter today:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color:#000000\">Haven\u2019t you noticed that men dress more modestly than women? In western society women are expected to be exposed to anyone. Main difference between male and female clothing is that female clothing tends to be much shorter tighter which isn\u2019t fair.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">In short, men dress modestly while women are expected to be \u201csexy.\u201d Actually, yes, I have noticed that. I agree: it\u2019s not fair.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><em>But<\/em>: you have missed the point.<!--more--><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><strong>I have never advocated dressing skimpily for the sake of attracting men.<\/strong> I think the pressure on women to expose themselves for the sake of titillating men is wrong, sexist and unfair. \u201cGirls Gone Wild\u201d is exploitative. Victoria\u2019s Secret uses photoshop to mutilate models\u2019 bodies and capitalize on the insecurities of young women, telling them that they need to look like an impossible ideal. Being against the modesty doctrine does not make me in favor of any of these things. That said, <strong>the choice between being \u201csexy\u201d and being \u201cmodest\u201d is an artificial one<\/strong>, designed to distract you from the fact that either way, you\u2019re being objectified. If you accept that the <em>purpose<\/em> of your dress is either to attract men or to hide from them, <strong>you\u2019ve accepted that your dress is not about you<\/strong>. It\u2019s about the abstract male observer. \u201cSexy\u201d is not the opposite of the modesty doctrine; <em>they\u2019re two sides of the same coin.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">Now, let\u2019s get down to business:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><strong>If you think that dressing modestly is a way of fighting back against the oppressive cultural norms that objectify women by making them expose their bodies, you are wrong.<\/strong> The entire point of my previous post was that when you are preoccupied with modesty, you are still basing your clothing choices around whether or not men are looking at you. You are still dressing to get a reaction from them, whether it\u2019s a drooling \u201cshe\u2019s hot\u201d or a \u201cnow there is a modest, respectable Christian woman.\u201d Furthermore, women who feel superior to other women because they are dressed \u201cmodestly\u201d are active participants in the objectification of other women. \u201cThat slut over there\u201d is your sister; when you demean her, you demean yourself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><strong>I<\/strong><strong>f you dress \u201cmodestly\u201d in order to get men to respect you, you have already accepted the premise that respect for women comes from what they wear.<\/strong> You have also accepted the premise that women who are not like you <em>do not deserve respect<\/em>. That\u2019s not okay. That\u2019s the attitude that leads cops and judges to blame women who were raped for \u201casking for it.\u201d (<a title='\"Nobody asks to be raped\" PSA from Scotland' href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=h95-IL3C-Z8\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"color:#000000\">As if anyone asks to be raped<\/span><\/a>!) Women deserve respect for their achievements and character, not their looks. Women deserve basic human dignity regardless of what they are wearing. Tell me, when was the last time you read a passage from the gospels in which Jesus despises a person based on her clothes? When does he even <em>notice<\/em> her clothes?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><strong>Dressing \u201csexy\u201d and dressing \u201cmodestly\u201d are<em> both<\/em> about dressing <em>for men<\/em>. <\/strong>Trying to be sexy means you are trying to <em>get<\/em> men <em>to<\/em> look at you. Trying to be modest means you are trying to <em>keep<\/em> men <em>from<\/em> looking at you. Attracting them or repelling them \u2013 either way, it\u2019s still all about men.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">What I am arguing for is not a particular kind of dress. I am arguing for approaching clothes as objects that make <em>you<\/em> feel confident, comfortable and happy. (You know, how men perceive their own clothes.) <strong>I am arguing for ditching the mentality that everything you wear and do is a performance for men. <\/strong>Modesty is a doctrine that is predicated on the male gaze. Think about it: When was the last time you worried about making a poor woman \u201cstumble\u201d by wearing expensive fabrics in front of her?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">(This is not even touching homosexuality and the risk of tempting lesbian women, because that argument has no currency in homophobic fundamentalist groups. Lesbians are told they don\u2019t actually exist.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">Now, as for <strong>men dressing modestly<\/strong>. Think about the adjectives used to sell clothing to men. Is \u201csexy\u201d high on the list? I\u2019ve seen that on occasion for suits, but little else. More often, it\u2019s about comfort and performance. Men ultimately tend to wear more fabric than women do, but it\u2019s not because they are worried about concealing their bodies from women. <strong>Men are not objectified<\/strong> in American culture. The phrase \u201cmale gaze\u201d refers to the fact that in this culture, men are coded as \u201clookers\u201d and women as \u201clooked at.\u201d Why do you think most people react to scantily clad men in sexy poses by calling them \u201cgay\u201d? Because they assume that men are ones looking at everything. <strong>Men do not dress \u201cmodestly.\u201d<\/strong> Their dress tends to be more <em>conservative<\/em> than women\u2019s, but avoiding female attention is not the reason for their choices. Men don\u2019t worry about modesty;<strong> they dress in ways that make them confident, comfortable, and happy. <\/strong>Modesty is not usually part of their vocabulary when talking about their own clothes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">Here is the bottom line:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">When \u201cmodesty\u201d is what motivates your dress and actions, you are basing your decisions on whether or not men are looking at you.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color:#000000\">When being \u201csexy\u201d is what motivates your dress and actions, you are basing your decisions on whether or not men are looking at you.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><strong><\/strong>That\u2019s self-objectification.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">I don\u2019t know if I can make this any clearer: <strong>I\u2019m not telling anyone to dress \u201cimmodestly.\u201d<\/strong> I don\u2019t give a flying fig what anyone else wears. I\u2019m saying that <strong>basing your life decisions (clothing, exercise, etc.) on the modesty doctrine is just as objectifying as basing them on being \u201csexy.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\"><em><\/em>If you want to oppose the sexualization and objectification of women\u2019s bodies in the mainstream media, teach your children to respect women. Teach them that women aren\u2019t props for selling objects. Teach them that women\u2019s brains matter more than their looks. Teach them to buy clothes that make them happy, not to attract or repel the opposite sex. Teach them to think outside the modesty\/sexy (virgin\/whore) binary that forever tells women they are meant to be looked at and can be discarded if they are found wanting (\u201cnot thin enough,\u201d \u201cnot modest enough\u201d \u2013 it\u2019s evil either way). Criticize marketing campaigns that exploit women. Criticize the porn industry. Show your children that they don\u2019t have to accept the cultural messages that are thrown at them by corporations who just want to sell products using whatever tactic works best (exploitative or not). <strong>Show your kids that being a woman is not all about attracting or repelling men.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color:#000000\">Just teaching girls to cover-up is a cop-out. Covering or uncovering isn\u2019t the issue. The issue is <em>why<\/em> we do what we do. What\u2019s important is to fight the idea that women are objects to be looked at, and that message is reinforced, not combated, when we teach the modesty doctrine.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Inevitably, when I write about the modesty issue, I get some variation of the following responses: Modesty is about respecting yourself. Dressing \u201cimmodestly\u201d also objectifies you. Only my husband has the right to see those parts of me. 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