{"id":1012,"date":"2011-08-02T09:31:43","date_gmt":"2011-08-02T13:31:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/exploringourmatrix\/?p=999"},"modified":"2011-08-02T09:31:43","modified_gmt":"2011-08-02T13:31:43","slug":"rafael-rodriguez-is-probably-wrong-about-his-own-wrongness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/08\/rafael-rodriguez-is-probably-wrong-about-his-own-wrongness.html","title":{"rendered":"Rafael Rodriguez is (probably) Wrong about his own Wrongness"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/thinkinginpublic.blogspot.com\/2011\/08\/on-second-thought.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rafael kindly responded to my reply to his post<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/exploringourmatrix\/2011\/08\/01\/rafael-rodriguez-is-wrong-on-redaction\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">including (in a comment here) the following video<\/a>, which presumably was meant to indicate that he would be tap dancing around some of the issues. \u00a0\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=FaBTaok3qG0\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=FaBTaok3qG0<\/a>\n<p>Rafael mentions a number of topics \u2013 such as whether Mark Goodacre is correct about the matter of Q \u2013 which complicate the quest of historians and scholars to make sense of these texts. I think that the following quote illustrates what is at the heart of the matter and the key difference between us:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Despite James\u2019s confidence that in Matthew\u2019s Sermon on the Mount, \u201ctime and again there are additional words or phrases which, when compared with Luke, seem clearly to be additions to an earlier shorter form, and reflect redactional interests of the author,\u201d redaction critics simply cannot be sure what is original, what is secondary, or to what extent secondary changes put us in contact with an author\u2019s real or consistent theological or ideological motivations.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Rafael is right, redaction critics cannot be sure. Historians, for that matter, cannot be sure. Few of us can be absolutely sure about anything. And a major rethinking of how we do history and how we do scholarship in the humanities in general has been underway for some time, precisely because of our awareness of this. Many of us, however, are convinced that we have other options besides the classic critical quest for certainty on the one hand, and an uncritical acceptance of what all our sources say on the other. We can be postmodern without being post-critical or uncritical. We can assess the probabilities and offer the best reconstruction we can, acknowledging our lack of absolute certainty while also trying to reach as certain conclusions as possible given the evidence we have.<\/p>\n<p>That is the heart of the matter methodologically, as I see it (and I could be wrong). When it comes to the heart of the issue in terms of actual redactional tendencies in the Synoptic Gospels and our ability to identify them, I think that we can see a pattern emerging when we compare Matthew and Luke. Here are just a few well-known examples:<\/p>\n<p>Beatitudes: Matthew adds \u201cin Spirit\u201d and \u201cfor righteousness\u201d<br>\nLord\u2019s Prayer: Matthew adds \u201cyour will be done\u2026\u201d and \u201cbut deliver us from evil\/the Evil One\u201d<br>\nParables: Matthew adds \u201cYou are the salt of the earth\u2026\u201d<br>\nTurn the other cheek: Matthew not only adds details about which cheek and being taken to court, which affect the way this material is understood, but also adds a third piece: \u201cIf someone compels you to go with him one mile\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This seems like the same sort of thing we get in Matthew\u2019s use of his principal source, the Gospel of Mark. Consider Peter\u2019s confession, where Matthew adds the \u201cBlessed are you, Simon\u2026\u201d material, or the apocalyptic discourse in Mark 13, where Matthew adds \u201cin the holy place, as spoken of by the prophet Daniel.\u201d Matthew tends to supplement his source material with explanatory comments and interpretative additions. Should we not expect that same tendency to be at work in his use of other sources \u2013 and indeed, allow that authorial tendency to guide us in our detecting of his use of other sources?<\/p>\n<p>When two sources appear to have a literary relationship, whether direct or indirect, and there is regular expansion and addition by one of them, is it not the simplest explanation to treat many (not necessarily all!) of those additions precisely as authorial edits, rather than variations in the tradition that author inherited? There may be exceptions, and we should be open to identifying them. But I see no reason why such exceptions would lead us to become less confident that, in general, what we see here are Matthean additions.<\/p>\n<p>And as for the fact that counter-examples can be offered, pericopes that run counter to redactional tendencies, such evidence fits what we know of redactional processes too. Take for instance <a href=\"http:\/\/www.earlychristianwritings.com\/q-exist.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Matthew 12:28 and Luke 11:20. There we find evidence of \u201credactional fatigue\u201d<\/a>: Matthew tends to prefer \u201ckingdom of heaven\u201d to \u201ckingdom of God\u201d and changes the latter to the former when using Mark as his source. Should we not view that general trend as an example of redaction on Matthew\u2019s part \u2013 and his failure to always do so as evidence of the fact that redactors rarely transform their source material so thoroughly that none of its characteristics shine through even after editing?<\/p>\n<p>Obviously if one thinks that Luke used Matthew, then one will understand the relationship differently. But it is the greater likelihood that Matthew added explanatory comments of these sorts than that Luke removed them systematically, combined with divergences between the two that make positing direct use of one by the other problematic, that leads most scholars to posit the existence of the Q source. Are we certain about it? No. Does uncertainty mean we should abandon it if we remain persuaded that it makes the best sense of the evidence? Not at all.<\/p>\n<p>This does not mean that we should go back to the old quest to recover precise wording of sayings of Jesus. But to the extent that we prefer to get as close to the historical Jesus as possible, it remains the case that recognizing some material as secondary and redactional allows us to make a judgment about the earliest <em>preserved<\/em> form of a saying. It won\u2019t be the exact words of Jesus, but it may get us somewhat closer than a later reworking does. And unless our aim is to not simply talk about the portraits of Jesus in our sources, but to also recognize where they seem to be reinterpreting and transforming him, then we are no longer doing critical historical study. Our failure to achieve certainty, and our inability to achieve certainty, are no excuse for not trying to be as certain as we can.<\/p>\n<p>So is Rafael wrong? I obviously cannot be certain. But I think it is probable.  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rafael kindly responded to my reply to his post, including (in a comment here) the following video, which presumably was meant to indicate that he would be tap dancing around some of the issues. \u00a0\ud83d\ude42 Rafael mentions a number of topics \u2013 such as whether Mark Goodacre is correct about the matter of Q \u2013 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[32,34,39,67],"tags":[2304,4110,4646,4660,5677,7329,9806,9914,10084,12189],"class_list":["post-1012","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gospel-of-luke","category-gospel-of-matthew","category-historical-jesus","category-new-testament-bible","tag-criticism","tag-gospels","tag-historical","tag-history","tag-jesus","tag-methodology","tag-q","tag-rafael-rodriguez","tag-redaction","tag-synoptic-problem"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Rafael Rodriguez is (probably) Wrong about his own Wrongness<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Rafael kindly responded to my reply to his post, including (in a comment here) the following video, which presumably was meant to indicate that he would\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/08\/rafael-rodriguez-is-probably-wrong-about-his-own-wrongness.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Rafael Rodriguez is (probably) Wrong about his own Wrongness\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Rafael kindly responded to my reply to his post, including (in a comment here) the following video, which presumably was meant to indicate that he would\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/08\/rafael-rodriguez-is-probably-wrong-about-his-own-wrongness.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. 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