{"id":1103,"date":"2010-07-21T15:06:00","date_gmt":"2010-07-21T15:06:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/07\/a-johannine-revolution-in-historical-jesus-studies\/"},"modified":"2010-07-21T15:06:00","modified_gmt":"2010-07-21T15:06:00","slug":"a-johannine-revolution-in-historical-jesus-studies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/07\/a-johannine-revolution-in-historical-jesus-studies.html","title":{"rendered":"A Johannine Revolution in Historical Jesus Studies?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Paul N. Anderson has published an article at <i>The Bible and Interpretation<\/i>\u00a0entitled \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bibleinterp.com\/opeds\/fourth357921.shtml\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">A Fourth Quest for Jesus\u2026So What, and How So?<\/a>\u201d It argues for a rethinking of the way we pursue historical study of Jesus so as to include more of the evidence from the Gospel of John.<\/p>\n<p>As a participant in the \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/John-Jesus-History-Historicity-Christianity\/dp\/1589833929?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=widgetsamazon-20&amp;link_code=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">John, Jesus and History<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=widgetsamazon-20&amp;l=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969&amp;o=1&amp;a=1589833929\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important;padding: 0px !important\" width=\"1\">\u201d project which Paul has organized, I must confess that I disagree with Paul on this particular issue. On the one hand, when it comes to chronological and a number of other such issues, there seems to be a willingness to take John\u2019s witness seriously as an independent perspective. So too when John confirms information from other sources.<\/p>\n<p>But on the other hand, it is not merely the differences between John and the Synoptics that are the reason why historians do not accept the historicity of the <i>words<\/i>\u00a0the Gospel of John places on the lips of Jesus. It has much more to do with the <i>internal stylistic consistency<\/i>\u00a0of the Fourth Gospel. The narrator, Jesus, and John the Baptist all speak with the same distinctive style and vocabulary. This, when coupled with the fact that the unique Johannine terminology gives expression to a number of ideas unique to John among the New Testament Gospels, such as that Jesus was aware of having pre-existed in heaven before appearing on earth, it seems that historians are <i>absolutely correct<\/i>\u00a0to reject the authenticity of most of what the Johannine Jesus is depicted as saying. This doesn\u2019t seem to me to be a case of undue skepticism, but of an appropriately critical approach to history.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Other bloggers who have mentioned <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bibleinterp.com\/opeds\/fourth357921.shtml\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Paul\u2019s article<\/a> include <a href=\"http:\/\/zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com\/2010\/07\/21\/the-fourth-quest-for-the-historical-jesus\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jim West<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/pursiful.com\/2010\/07\/the-historical-jesus-and-the-gospel-of-john\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Darrell Pursiful<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/sxcari.blogspot.com\/2010\/07\/fourth-quest-john-and-history.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ari<\/a>. What do others think about this issue, and of the new and altered criteria Paul mentions in his article?<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-6943790297105185623?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Paul N. Anderson has published an article at The Bible and Interpretation\u00a0entitled \u201cA Fourth Quest for Jesus\u2026So What, and How So?\u201d It argues for a rethinking of the way we pursue historical study of Jesus so as to include more of the evidence from the Gospel of John. As a participant in the \u201cJohn, Jesus [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1103","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>A Johannine Revolution in Historical Jesus Studies?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Paul N. 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