{"id":129,"date":"2011-04-26T08:49:00","date_gmt":"2011-04-26T08:49:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/04\/explaining-mythicist-sleight-of-hand\/"},"modified":"2011-04-26T08:49:00","modified_gmt":"2011-04-26T08:49:00","slug":"explaining-mythicist-sleight-of-hand","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/04\/explaining-mythicist-sleight-of-hand.html","title":{"rendered":"Explaining Mythicist Sleight of Hand"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>
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Magic tricks are fun, and having had the privilege of knowing a magician or two, I\u2019ve also had the occasional trick explained to me. For some, knowing how any trick works seems to \u201cspoil the magic,\u201d but from my perspective, understanding how some tricks work only tells you what you should have known already \u2013 that you are being deceived. When you realize how that is being accomplished, I find that you appreciate the magician who can do it successfully even more.<\/p>\n

I\u2019d like to explain how one of mythicism\u2019s classic tricks works. I\u2019m sure that some mythicists, like many magicians, would prefer that the illusion not be ruined, and so if you\u2019d rather enjoy the illusion of mythicism rather than know how it works beneath the level of appearances, stop reading now.<\/p>\n

In a recent guest post on Neil Godfrey\u2019s blog, Earl Doherty claimed<\/a> that there is \u201ca subtle piece of question-begging going on\u201d when mainstream scholars argue that it is less likely that a crucified Davidic Messiah was invented from scratch, and more likely that Christianity interpreted an actual historical person who was crucified as somehow nonetheless being the Davidic Messiah.<\/p>\n

Watch carefully. Here\u2019s what Doherty goes on to write:<\/p>\n

The latter alternative is only more likely if indeed such a man existed. One cannot assume he did so, or adopt as an axiom that the Gospels represent the story of a real man, and then on that basis declare the latter alternative as more likely. The question is: does the evidence in the record as a whole indicate that such a man did live and that the Gospels are meant to be history? Mythicism makes the case that both answers are \u201cNo.\u201d One cannot appeal to the Gospels as history to prove that the Gospels and their central character are history. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Did you spot when the goal post was moved? If not, then the sleight of hand was effective.<\/p>\n

Watch how this trick is done in slow motion.<\/p>\n

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First, question-begging, for those unfamiliar with the term, is basically a way of denoting circular reasoning: the argument for X in fact presupposes X to be true. This is a not-uncommon claim that mythicists make, in particular in the following form: that one only concludes that the Gospels and other sources are about a real historical figure if one presupposes that they are about a real historical figure. If you don\u2019t read the text assuming that a character is historical, then you not only won\u2019t conclude that he is historical, you won\u2019t be able<\/i>\u00a0to draw that conclusion.<\/p>\n

So where does the question-begging or circular reasoning occur in mainstream scholarly treatment of these sources? It doesn\u2019t. In fact, mythicists presume that reasoning from texts to decisions about historicity is not circular, until the discussion gets to material that makes a historical Jesus seem likely.<\/p>\n

What they do is readily discuss the letters of Paul as though it is possible to determine from them whether Paul and the movement he was a part of thought Jesus was a real person. What they hope you will not notice up their sleeve is this: In your average letter, written to someone you know or who can safely be assumed to share important major assumptions with you, you are incredibly unlikely to emphasize that a person you refer to actually existed. But in the case of mythicism, the lack of repeated clear statements of Jesus\u2019 status as a historical figure is highlighted as though it were evidence for mythicism, and no mention is made of the fact that this could simply represent a failure to state the obvious.<\/p>\n

Reading any<\/i> letters in this way, one could draw all sorts of highly improbable conclusions. It would receive nothing but derision in any field of historical study if someone, purporting to be making a historical argument, said \u201cWhen the author says that person X spoke to him, it might be a reference to a dream or vision, since the author nowhere explicitly states that person X was made of flesh and blood and spoke to him audibly in his presence with eyewitnesses present.\u201d It isn\u2019t an argument, just an observation of typical characteristics of letters, interpreted in a bizarre way as though they were proof of something.<\/p>\n

And one suspects that if Paul did<\/i>\u00a0emphasize Jesus\u2019 existence, this would be taken as proof that Jesus\u2019 existence was in doubt, since why else would he have needed to emphasize it?<\/p>\n

Heads I win, tails you lose.<\/p>\n

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But apparently discussing those textual sources, the letters from which mythicists feel they can make their case due to these characteristics, is not inappropriate or question-begging. What is allegedly inappropriate is treating texts which are from only decades later, from the same movement, but which clearly envisage a historical Jesus, as though texts can provide historical evidence.<\/p>\n

The goal post has moved. Did you see it this time?<\/p>\n

If texts cannot provide a basis for drawing conclusions about the historicity of a figure they mention, then there was no need for any of this discussion of details of Paul\u2019s letters that mythicists engage in without objection. But if mythicists in fact stated that outright, they would (1) end the conversation too early, (2) leave the question of the historicity of Jesus as simply unanswerable, whereas they want to answer it in the negative, and (3) risk giving the impression that they are not in fact giving the data its due attention. And so they only bring in the alleged circularity of arguing from a text about the historicity of a figure mentioned in them late in the game \u2013 they move the goal post only once you\u2019ve kicked the ball and it is headed towards it.<\/p>\n

Mythicists are good at what they do. Just as magicians can convince people that they have supernatural powers through sleight of hand, mythicists manage to persuade people that they are actually discussing evidence in a serious manner using historical methods. There are other equally impressive tricks they use, but hopefully in illustrating this one, you will be ready to appreciate the illusion, and appreciate the tricks as tricks, not as scholarship.<\/p>\n

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