{"id":16293,"date":"2013-08-02T13:37:37","date_gmt":"2013-08-02T17:37:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=16293"},"modified":"2013-08-02T13:37:37","modified_gmt":"2013-08-02T17:37:37","slug":"young-earth-creationists-are-without-excuse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2013\/08\/young-earth-creationists-are-without-excuse.html","title":{"rendered":"Young-Earth Creationists are Without Excuse"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/unsettledchristianity.com\/2013\/08\/oh-tony-you-keep-using-that-word-or-in-favor-of-st-james-of-the-mcgraths\/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+unsettledchristianityblog+%28Unsettled+Christianity%29\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Joel Watts drew my attention<\/a> to the fact that <a href=\"http:\/\/siriusknotts.wordpress.com\/2012\/04\/13\/god-rested\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">an individual named Tony Breeden, with whom I had been interacting on his blog<\/a>, mentioned me on Facebook:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-16294\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/files\/2013\/08\/breeden-shames-himself.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"486\" height=\"350\"><\/p>\n<p>My response was to ask whether, if I gave a simple \u201cyes\u201d answer and said nothing more, he would be satisfied and would return to the topic, or would then ask about what I mean by bodily, and by historical, and use other follow-up questions to distract from the topic at hand.<\/p>\n<p>Breeden has suggested that his reason for asking the question is that he wants to know whether he is interacting with a fellow Christian or an unbeliever. Clearly Breeden is looking for an excuse that can be used to dismiss things that I say and evidence I present. I find that reprehensible.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Romans+1&amp;version=NIV\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Romans 1:19-20<\/a> shows how different Breeden\u2019s \u201cChristianity\u201d is from that of St. Paul:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[W]hat may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God\u2019s invisible qualities\u2014his eternal power and divine nature\u2014have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made,\u00a0so that people are without excuse.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Trying to distract from the discussion and the evidence is a common tactic among those who deny the truth. Yet according to Paul, the evidence from the natural world provides sufficient evidence <em>even to discuss and deduce the attributes of the one who created those things<\/em>. Yet young-earth creationists deny the evidence from the natural world even with respect to more mundane matters, such as their age and the processes involved in their formation!<\/p>\n<p>It is frustrating when representatives of a viewpoint that is so thoroughly unbiblical set themselves up as though they themselves were the defenders of the Bible and of Christian orthodoxy.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Joel Watts drew my attention to the fact that an individual named Tony Breeden, with whom I had been interacting on his blog, mentioned me on Facebook: My response was to ask whether, if I gave a simple \u201cyes\u201d answer and said nothing more, he would be satisfied and would return to the topic, or [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":16294,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[82,108],"tags":[2269,2277,3215,7940,8815,10016,10537,14016],"class_list":["post-16293","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-romans","category-young-earth-creationism","tag-creation","tag-creator","tag-evidence","tag-natural-theology","tag-paul","tag-reason","tag-romans","tag-young-earth-creationism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Young-Earth Creationists are Without Excuse<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Joel Watts drew my attention to the fact that an individual named Tony Breeden, with whom I had been interacting on his blog, mentioned me on Facebook: My\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2013\/08\/young-earth-creationists-are-without-excuse.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Young-Earth Creationists are Without Excuse\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Joel Watts drew my attention to the fact that an individual named Tony Breeden, with whom I had been interacting on his blog, mentioned me on Facebook: My\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2013\/08\/young-earth-creationists-are-without-excuse.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. 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