{"id":1821,"date":"2009-12-19T22:21:00","date_gmt":"2009-12-19T22:21:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2009\/12\/the-messiah-maker\/"},"modified":"2009-12-19T22:21:00","modified_gmt":"2009-12-19T22:21:00","slug":"the-messiah-maker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2009\/12\/the-messiah-maker.html","title":{"rendered":"The Messiah-Maker"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/paleojudaica.blogspot.com\/2009_12_13_archive.html#5826189132395645712\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jim Davila<\/a> shared a link to <a href=\"http:\/\/standpointmag.co.uk\/node\/2507\/full\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">an article by Geza Vermes about the Testimonium Flavianum<\/a>, the more famous and more detailed of Josephus\u2019 two references to Jesus. While some still think that the whole thing may be a later\u00a0insertion by Christians, the consensus seems to be moving in the direction of there having been an original reference to Jesus which was later tampered with by Christians.<\/p>\n<p>Whatever one <a href=\"http:\/\/www.josephus.org\/home.htm#testimonium\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">thinks<\/a> of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.earlychristianwritings.com\/testimonium.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">reference<\/a>, I\u2019ve been intrigued for some time by a related topic, namely\u00a0the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/shows\/religion\/portrait\/galilee.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">figures<\/a> that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livius.org\/men-mh\/messiah\/messianic_claimants08.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">appeared<\/a> in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livius.org\/men-mh\/messiah\/messianic_claimants06.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">years<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livius.org\/men-mh\/messiah\/messianic_claimants09.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">decades<\/a> after Jesus, such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livius.org\/men-mh\/messiah\/messianic_claimants08.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Theudas<\/a>. If we assume (as the evidence seems to warrant) that there were Christians making claims and telling stories about Jesus in this period in Palestine as well as elsewhere, then it is natural to ask whether such figures were consciously imitating Jesus, or if not, then why such comparable figures appear in such close proximity in time and space.<\/p>\n<div style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none\"><a href=\"https:\/\/3lotus.com\/images\/Misc\/Jesus'-baptism.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"313\" src=\"https:\/\/3lotus.com\/images\/Misc\/Jesus'-baptism.jpg\" width=\"320\"><\/a>Lately I\u2019ve been wondering and speculating about a possible explanation. Josephus doesn\u2019t mention John the Baptist\u2019s connection with Jesus, although he does mention John having had followers who seemed willing to do anything for him. I wonder whether, if John indeed spoke about one who is to come after him, one who is one of his disciples but will surpass him, might not these other first-century messianic figures also have been part of John\u2019s movement. Persuaded that John was right, and also convinced\u00a0that Jesus was <em>not<\/em> the one whom John had predicted, they might have hoped that they instead might be the ones through whom God would bring his kingdom in.<\/div>\n<div style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none\">I know this is highly speculative \u2013 hence my presenting the idea in a blog post rather than some other format in the first instance. But sometimes\u00a0it can be fruitful for historians to take the evidence we have and speculates about possible connections. Sometimes what results is a theory that can explain the data better than other frameworks. And so I\u2019m offering this suggestion for discussion: might John the Baptist have inspired not only Christianity but some of the other messianic movements (and perhaps also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sacred-texts.com\/gno\/fff\/fff20.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">non-messianic religious developments<\/a>)\u00a0in the years between his own time and the Jewish war? What evidence, if any, might support or undermine such a scenario?<\/div>\n<div style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-8029245130518103101?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jim Davila shared a link to an article by Geza Vermes about the Testimonium Flavianum, the more famous and more detailed of Josephus\u2019 two references to Jesus. 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