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The same person who recently\u00a0asked me about translation and resurrection<\/a> drew my attention to this statement by William Lane Craig<\/a>:<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>In an extra-canonical Jewish writing called The Testament of Job (40), the story is told of the translation of two children killed in the collapse of a house. The children are killed when the house collapses, but when the rescuers clear away the rubble their bodies are not to be found. Meanwhile, the mother sees a vision of the two children glorified in heaven, where they have been translated by God. It needs to be emphasized that for the Jew a translation is not the same as a resurrection. Translation is the bodily assumption of someone out of this world into heaven. Resurrection is the raising up of a dead man in the space-time universe.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Their question in response was this:<\/p>\n

Where does he get his definitions, and how does he know the author and audience of this passage considered the event a \u201ctranslation\u201d and not a \u201cresurrection\u201d? Putting this passage aside, \u201ctranslation\u201d always referred to a person being bodily raised up to heaven BEFORE death (e.g. Enoch, Elijah, and Moses). I do not see how a person who has been bodily raised to heaven AFTER death could be seen as anything other than \u201craised from the dead\u201d or \u201cresurrected\u201d. The PLACE where the resurrected person resides \u2013 heaven instead of earth \u2013 might not be the usual place that resurrection was associated with, but it seems to me that it is still a resurrection from the dead. As far as I am aware, there is nothing in the Jewish literature that defines different terms for a dead person who is raised and then exists on earth and a dead person who is raised and then exists in heaven.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This raises some excellent questions. It seems to me that some New Testament texts actually can be understood to mean precisely what the Testament of Job envisages \u2013 a vindication of Jesus after death which rescued his body from dishonor, but did not imply that the final resurrection was near at hand. That latter concept is to the forefront in Paul\u2019s writings. But how widespread was it, and have we allowed his theological understanding of the implication of Jesus\u2019 resurrection to color our interpretation of other New Testament texts?<\/p>\n

Moreover, the distinction that Craig makes seems to me to poorly fit what Paul had to say, which is that Jesus entered a different kind of existence, a translated one, and did not merely return to life in the current age and order.<\/p>\n

On a related note, see Brian LePort\u2019s recent post about Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah<\/a>. Also, there is a new edition of the\u00a0Testament of Job<\/em> which Bloomsbury<\/a> has published, and which I hope to take a look at once it is released, by Maria Haralambakis: The Testament of Job: Text, Narrative and Reception History<\/em> (Library of Second Temple Studies)<\/a>\"\".<\/p>\n

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