{"id":2083,"date":"2009-09-24T09:27:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-24T09:27:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2009\/09\/did-jesus-claim-to-be-god-2\/"},"modified":"2009-09-24T09:27:00","modified_gmt":"2009-09-24T09:27:00","slug":"did-jesus-claim-to-be-god-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2009\/09\/did-jesus-claim-to-be-god-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Did Jesus Claim To Be God?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I\u2019m grateful to commenter Edson for reminding me to return to a subject to which I promised to return, namely the question of whether Jesus ever claimed to be God.<\/p>\n<p>I mainly want to invite discussion of the subject, but I will try to note a few key points first about the use of evidence from the Gospel of John in relation to this topic. First, the uniform style of the Gospel of John and its distinctiveness in language and style, as well as in its claims to Jesus\u2019 awareness of having pre-existed in heaven, set John apart from the other three Gospels in the New Testament, and because of this most historians do not feel that they can attribute most of the words placed on the lips of Jesus in John to the historical figure of Jesus. (It should also be remembered that claiming <em>pre-existence<\/em> does not, without further evidence, equal a claim to <em>divinity<\/em>. The concept of a pre-existent Messiah can be found in the <a href=\"http:\/\/faculty.bbc.edu\/rdecker\/phd\/depriest\/3simil.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Similitudes of Enoch<\/a>, with which the author of this Gospel seems to have been familiar).<\/p>\n<p>Second, the use of the absolute \u201cI AM\u201d must be counterbalanced (as <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=tWR8DJ6C8KsC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_v2_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">C. K. Barrett<\/a> famously pointed out) with the emphasis (<a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=4pqHwHIH5bwC&amp;pg=PT71&amp;lpg=PT71&amp;dq=c.+k.+barrett+%22I+am%22+intolerable+nothing+myself&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=GIkuStkFxs&amp;sig=1TPBq4MPFBOtZSWxuCa1m6NkFzk&amp;hl=en#v=onepage&amp;q=c.%20k.%20barrett%20%22I%20am%22%20intolerable%20nothing%20myself&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">in the immediate context of Jesus\u2019 use of that language in chapter 8<\/a>, for instance) on Jesus <em>doing only what he is told<\/em>, only what he sees the Father do. The name of God is explicitly said to have been <em>given<\/em> to Jesus in <a href=\"http:\/\/usccb.org\/nab\/bible\/john\/john17.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John 17:12<\/a>, not long before which Jesus is depicted as calling the Father <em>the only true God<\/em> (whence the title of <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=4pqHwHIH5bwC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_v2_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my book<\/a>). All in all, it must be seriously considered whether the depiction in John is of Jesus as a figure like the angel Yahoel in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pseudepigrapha.com\/pseudepigrapha\/Apocalypse_of_Abraham.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apocalypse of Abraham<\/a>, one who serves as God\u2019s supreme agent and is <em>given the divine name<\/em> in order to make clear that his authority \u2013 but not his identity \u2013 is that of God himself.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, even if we found Jesus making unqualified statements that he himself is God, we should remember that similar claims are found in <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=nh6viSB9FScC&amp;lpg=PA23&amp;dq=%22I%20am%22%20Deutero-Isaiah&amp;pg=PA23#v=onepage&amp;q=%22I%20am%22%20Deutero-Isaiah&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deutero-Isaiah<\/a>. Yet there, no one has seriously suggested that the prophet is claiming to be the only deity and to be God himself. There it is considered obvious that the prophet is speaking in the divine first-person, and that the \u201cI of God\u201d is not being confused with the \u201cI of the prophet\u201d. Insufficient attention is often given to the question of whether Jesus is in certain instances best viewed as a prophet speaking in divine first-person.<\/p>\n<p>Before closing, I should mention that <a href=\"http:\/\/nearemmaus.blogspot.com\/2009\/09\/jeff-louie-on-uniqueness-of-christ-role.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brian LePort has shared some videos (featuring Jeff Louie) on his blog near emmaus<\/a>. One of them is relevant to this subject, but it is worth noting that it focuses on a number of types of indirect evidence and theological arguments, rather than on what Jesus may or may not have claimed about himself. It also needs to be mentioned that there are a significant number of Christians who have sought to reconcile the Gospel evidence with their creedal tradition by claiming that Jesus <em>was<\/em> God but did not necessarily<em> know<\/em> he was God while on earth. And so the question of <em>whether<\/em> <em>Jesus was God<\/em> is not precisely the same as the question of whether he <em>made such a claim about himself<\/em>. And of course, it is also possible to conclude that <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=37uJRUF6btAC&amp;lpg=PA554&amp;ots=i3PtBTcOVQ&amp;dq=bolt%20from%20the%20johannine%20blue&amp;pg=PA553#v=onepage&amp;q=bolt%20from%20the%20johannine%20blue&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus believed himself<\/a> to be God but <em>was mistaken about this<\/em>. And so I\u2019d like to keep the focus here not on <em>who Jesus was<\/em> but <em>what Jesus claimed<\/em>. One subject at a time!<\/p>\n<p>But that\u2019s all just by way of introduction. What do you think? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-5968103423463410370?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019m grateful to commenter Edson for reminding me to return to a subject to which I promised to return, namely the question of whether Jesus ever claimed to be God. 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