{"id":2264,"date":"2011-10-14T00:00:20","date_gmt":"2011-10-14T04:00:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/exploringourmatrix\/?p=2264"},"modified":"2011-10-14T00:00:20","modified_gmt":"2011-10-14T04:00:20","slug":"torchwood-they-keep-killing-suzie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/10\/torchwood-they-keep-killing-suzie.html","title":{"rendered":"Torchwood: They Keep Killing Suzie (Resurrection Days Are Over)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/torchwood\/sites\/episodes\/series1\/ep08_theykeepkillingsuzie.shtml\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">They Keep Killing Suzie<\/a>\u201d is quite possibly my favorite <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tvrage.com\/Torchwood\/episodes\/314165\/recap\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">episode<\/a> of Torchwood so far. Certainly for someone interested in the intersection of religion and science fiction, it gives a lot to talk about.<\/p>\n<p>We first meet Suzie in the pilot episode, and it is there that the resurrection gauntlet is introduced as well. In that episode, Suzie kills herself. She had been committing murders in order to have the opportunity to train with the gauntlet. She had been the only person on the team that was able to use the gauntlet, and it had thus far proved possible only to bring someone back to life for a couple of minutes at most. After Suzie\u2019s death, since her murder spree might have been due to the influence of the alien glove, the resurrection gauntlet is locked away.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i134.photobucket.com\/albums\/q82\/Dorozewitch\/Torchwood\/108%20-%20They%20keep%20killing%20Susie\/vlcsnap-547237.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"291\" height=\"167\"><a href=\"http:\/\/i122.photobucket.com\/albums\/o255\/Lady_Janine\/OMGtheykilledRory.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">In<\/a> \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.kasterborous.com\/2011\/05\/they-keep-killing-rory\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">They Keep Killing Suzie<\/a>,\u201d someone has begun trying to get Torchwood\u2019s attention by killing people and writing \u201cTorchwood\u201d in blood on the wall. To try to solve the crimes, they decide to use the the resurrection gauntlet, and since it turns out that Gwen can use it, they are able to trace the matter to a \u201creligious support group\u201d called Pilgrim, where people discuss matters like the meaning of life and the existence of God.<\/p>\n<p>When they discover that Suzie also attended the group, they bring her back to life \u2013 but unlike others, she stays alive. And it turns out that Suzie had made plans to facilitate her return in case of death, and what had been happening was part of her plan.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/torchwood.hypnoweb.net\/saisons-torchwood\/saison-1\/episode-1x08\/script-vo-1x08.100.147\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">One of the most poignant moments in the episode is when Gwen asks Suzie what happens when you die<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/i245.photobucket.com\/albums\/gg76\/GadflyRage\/torchwood\/suzie\/suzie06.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"223\" height=\"126\">GWEN : When you\u2019re dead, I mean when you die\u2026 what happens\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : What do you want me to say\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : The truth.<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : Really\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : Tell me.<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : You religious, or\u2026<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : Just sort of, in passing you know\u2026<\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-2265\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/exploringourmatrix\/2011\/10\/14\/torchwood-they-keep-killing-suzie\/they-keep-killing-suzie\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-2265\" src=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/exploringourmatrix\/files\/2011\/10\/they-keep-killing-suzie.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"168\" height=\"217\"><\/a>SUZIE : Do you believe in heaven\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : I dunno\u2026<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : Yes you do, what do you believe\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : Stupid but, I always sort of think\u2026 like you know, white light and all that and I think of my gran and she\u2019ll be there, waiting for me. The smell of carbolic\u2026<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : Your faith never left primary school.<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : So what\u2019s up there\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : Nothing. Just nothing.<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : But\u2026 but if there\u2019s nothing what\u2019s the point of it all\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : This is, driving through the dark, all this stupid tiny stuff. We\u2019re just animals howling in the night, \u2018cause it\u2019s better than silence. I used to think about Torchwood, all those aliens coming to earth, what the hell for\u00a0? But it\u2019s just instinct. They come here \u2018cause there\u2019s life, that\u2019s all. Moths around a flame creatures clinging together in the cold.<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : So when you die it, it\u2019s just\u2026<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : Darkness.<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : And you\u2019re all alone there\u2019s no one else\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : I didn\u2019t say that.<\/p>\n<p>GWEN : What\u2019d you mean\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>SUZIE : Why do you think I\u2019m so desperate to come back\u00a0? There\u2019s something out there, in the dark, and it\u2019s moving.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/7\/7f\/Resurrection_Gauntlet.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"192\" height=\"144\">Later in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.afterelton.com\/TV\/torchwood\/recaps\/108?page=0%2C6\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">episode<\/a>, Capt. Jack Harkness manages to kill Suzie (hence the title of the episode) by destroying the glove, which was in fact draining away Gwen\u2019s life and keeping Suzie alive. Towards the end of the episode, he says \u201cThe resurrection days are over, thank God.\u201d But Ianto points out that the thing about gloves is that they come in pairs.<\/p>\n<p>So the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbcamerica.com\/content\/262\/torchwood-season-1-episode-8.jsp\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">episode<\/a> tackles certain religious topics, and might seem to be doing little more than inverting the view of the afterlife associated with Christianity and several other religious traditions. But in fact, it is doing more interesting things than that.<\/p>\n<p>On the one hand, in contrast with Gwen\u2019s \u201cgrade school\u201d level faith in a heaven to which one goes when one dies, the classic doctrine of the afterlife is in fact <em>resurrection<\/em> \u2013 return to a bodily existence, but a different sort, in which one never dies again. That makes a close connection to a major element in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tvrage.com\/Torchwood\/episodes\/314165\/recap\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this episode\u2019s storyline<\/a>. On the other hand, the idea of a place of darkness, in which one may or may not cease to exist altogether, but in which one clearly does not continue to live in a full or any meaningful sense, is akin to the notion of Sheol in the Hebrew Bible.<\/p>\n<p>Students are consistently surprised when it is pointed out to them that most of the texts in the Hebrew Bible do not adopt a viewpoint which asserts that there is an afterlife. Like Gwen, they wonder what the point is if there isn\u2019t eternal life.<\/p>\n<p>The message of this episode of Torchwood is perhaps that if you cannot find meaning in <em>this <\/em>life, then you won\u2019t find meaning even if your life were to be extended indefinitely.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cThey Keep Killing Suzie\u201d is quite possibly my favorite episode of Torchwood so far. Certainly for someone interested in the intersection of religion and science fiction, it gives a lot to talk about. We first meet Suzie in the pilot episode, and it is there that the resurrection gauntlet is introduced as well. 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