{"id":23823,"date":"2014-05-21T11:21:22","date_gmt":"2014-05-21T15:21:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=23823"},"modified":"2014-05-21T11:21:22","modified_gmt":"2014-05-21T15:21:22","slug":"zeba-crook-and-richard-carrier-discuss-the-historicity-of-jesus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/05\/zeba-crook-and-richard-carrier-discuss-the-historicity-of-jesus.html","title":{"rendered":"Zeba Crook and Richard Carrier Discuss the Historicity of Jesus"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

<\/iframe>\n<\/p><p>Click the above to watch their discussion on YouTube. I didn\u2019t watch the whole thing, having just gotten back from Israel late last night, but I listened to snippets.\u00a0On the whole, the parts I listened to seemed to provide a good overview of the scholarly consensus view as well as of the mythicist viewpoint.<\/p>\n<p>I appreciated Carrier\u2019s acknowledgment that the argument from silence (especially when coupled with dubious claims such as that \u201cPontius Pilate was a meticulous record-keeper\u201d) don\u2019t work because of the nature of the evidence.<\/p>\n<p>Carrier\u2019s statement right at the end, that Agapius\u2019 version of the Testimonium Flavianum has been demonstrated to derive via the Syriac from the altered version of the passage, certainly does not seem to me to reflect the consensus on the issue at all.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Click the above to watch their discussion on YouTube. I didn\u2019t watch the whole thing, having just gotten back from Israel late last night, but I listened to snippets.\u00a0On the whole, the parts I listened to seemed to provide a good overview of the scholarly consensus view as well as of the mythicist viewpoint. I […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":22389,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[39,64],"tags":[4652,4656,5677,7853,10359,14048],"class_list":["post-23823","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-historical-jesus","category-mythicism","tag-historical-jesus","tag-historicity","tag-jesus","tag-mythicism","tag-richard-carrier","tag-zeba-crook"],"yoast_head":"\n<title>Zeba Crook and Richard Carrier Discuss the Historicity of Jesus<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Click the above to watch their discussion on YouTube. 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