{"id":24874,"date":"2014-06-25T12:15:43","date_gmt":"2014-06-25T16:15:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=24874"},"modified":"2014-06-25T12:15:43","modified_gmt":"2014-06-25T16:15:43","slug":"review-of-two-mythicist-books","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/06\/review-of-two-mythicist-books.html","title":{"rendered":"Early Reviews of Richard Carrier&#8217;s On The Historicity of Jesus Christ"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/rossonl.wordpress.com\/2014\/06\/24\/mythicism-two-theories\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Loren Rosson has reviewed<\/a> two books which offer two different mythicist theories \u2013 one in relation to Muhammad, one in relation to Jesus. The former is Robert Spencer\u2019s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/161017061X\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=161017061X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=3D37IYO62R7MIDSZ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam\u2019s Obscure Origins<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=161017061X\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/em>, and the latter is Richard Carrier\u2019s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1909697494\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1909697494&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=C66FOJUE2U55IXON\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1909697494\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>On the one that interests me more (although both interest me), Rosson seems to me to make great efforts to be not only fair but sympathetic as he seeks to assess the strengths and weaknesses of Carrier\u2019s arguments. But there definitely are weaknesses, and here is an example of Rosson\u2019s discussion of one example:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Finally, a word about Gal 1:19, which in Carrier\u2019s view is \u201cthe only real evidence\u201d historicists have from Paul\u2019s letters. He argues that James \u201cthe brother of the Lord\u201d is fictive kinship language rather than biological, as Paul wants to distinguish Christians generally from apostles specifically (p 590), which means of course that he\u2019s not referring to James the pillar. It\u2019s not a convincing argument. Paul would have little reason to bring up a lesser non-apostolic James in the context Gal 1-2, as such a figure would be beneath mentioning. Paul is referring to the apostle James who in fact is the biological brother of Jesus, and who has to be acknowledged, because he\u2019s a thorn in Paul\u2019s side being a rival authority in the Antioch incident as it now bears on the Galatian situation.<\/p>\n<p>This was a point made by Zeba Crook in his recent debate with Carrier, to which Carrier later\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/carrier\/archives\/5612\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">responded<\/a>\u00a0online:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u201cCrook claimed Paul \u2018wished\u2019 James wasn\u2019t the brother of Jesus (because that made James a greater authority than Paul). There is no indication of that anywhere in the Epistles, at all (this is the same error I caught Mark Goodacre in). That is a Christian faith doctrine, that Crook has sublimated from having been taught \u2018mainstream assumptions\u2019 in his field inherited by its progenitors, who were not analyzing the evidence objectively in the first place.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Carrier is being a bit obtuse here. No one, least of all Crook and Goodacre, is leaning on Christian faith doctrine; this is a scholarly construct based on objective assessments of Paul\u2019s relationship to James and the other pillars. Even if you know nothing of Acts 15, it\u2019s not hard to see the power struggles implied in Gal 1-2. (As an aside, I even suggest that James used his authority\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/rossonl.wordpress.com\/2006\/03\/12\/treachery-at-antioch\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">treacherously<\/a>.) This is a feeble swipe on Carrier\u2019s part and one of his least persuasive arguments.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rossonl.wordpress.com\/2014\/06\/24\/mythicism-two-theories\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Click through<\/a> to read the rest. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hallq\/2014\/06\/richard-carriers-on-the-historicity-of-jesus-first-impressions-and-initial-thoughts\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Chris Hallquist has also blogged<\/a> about his first impressions of the book, expressing relief that the tone is not the one Carrier adopts on his blog. Hallquist offers some important criticisms. I particularly appreciated this point:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[A]rguing that the prior probability of a historical Jesus is low because Jesus\u2019 story shares many features in common with that of mythic heroes strikes me as extremely dubious. Consider, who is the following paragraph describing?:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>He was descended from a long line of great leaders, but at the time he was born, his country was under foreign occupation. Thus, his birth happened in secret, yet nevertheless it was heralded by a swallow, caused winter to change to spring, a star to illuminate the sky, and a double rainbow spontaneously appeared. Miraculously, he was able to walk and talk before he was six months old, and as an adult performed many amazing feats, including having the ability to control the weather. At the time of his death, a fierce snowstorm paused and the sky glowed red above the sacred, and the ice on a famous lake also cracked so loud that it seemed to shake the Heavens and the Earth. After his death, he was deified by his subjects, and his tomb became a shrine.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>You might assume that this must be the description of some figure out of ancient mythology. But actually, it\u2019s the story of the life of\u00a0<a title=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kim_Jong-il\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Kim Jong-Il,<\/a>\u00a0at least as told in North Korean propaganda.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I am still waiting to get hold of a copy of Carrier\u2019s book, and will blog about it once I\u2019ve read it. But obviously if Carrier actually says that he thinks the reference to James is the \u201conly real evidence\u201d in favor of the conclusion of almost all historians and scholars in relevant fields, then we are going to find the book a real disappointment.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1909697494\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1909697494&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=C66FOJUE2U55IXON\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=1909697494&amp;Format=_SL250_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1909697494\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Loren Rosson has reviewed two books which offer two different mythicist theories \u2013 one in relation to Muhammad, one in relation to Jesus. The former is Robert Spencer\u2019s Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam\u2019s Obscure Origins, and the latter is Richard Carrier\u2019s On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt. 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