{"id":25716,"date":"2014-08-22T09:59:58","date_gmt":"2014-08-22T13:59:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=25716"},"modified":"2014-08-22T09:59:58","modified_gmt":"2014-08-22T13:59:58","slug":"generalizing-about-religion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html","title":{"rendered":"Generalizing about Religion"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: none\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25715\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/files\/2014\/08\/wpid-Photo-20140818115956.jpg\" alt=\"wpid-Photo-20140818115956.jpg\" width=\"468\" height=\"395\"><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2014\/08\/14\/false-generalizations-christianities-etc\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Sabio Lantz has shared<\/a> some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There\u2019s an extensive quotation below, but <a href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2014\/08\/14\/false-generalizations-christianities-etc\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">click through to read the entire post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Religions around the world nurture conflict and are used as tools for great suffering and nonsense. But religion can also be used in wonderful ways. It is thus a mistake to speak about spiritual and religious traditions as if there existed some coherent, unified, uncontested, unchanging or pristine version of that tradition. Sure, speaking of such an idealized form may be a useful heuristic tool but it is loaded with mistaken notions which become obvious after only the least bit of inspection or dialogue between people who disagree. This error is common with both\u00a0<a style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\" href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/23\/religious-prescriptionists\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">religion prescriptionists<\/a>\u00a0and anti-religion atheists.<\/p>\n<p>Why is this a mistake? Above in my diagram I tried to capture\u00a0six\u00a0main\u00a0factors that make such generalizations sloppy at best. \u00a0Below are the explanations:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\"><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\"><span style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;color: #008000\">Times<\/span>: Historical Varieties of Religion<\/strong>: Religions change over time. So\u00a0instead of overgeneralizing, we\u00a0have to specify exactly what time period we are talking about. \u00a0But for the reasons given below, that is usually not enough.<\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\"><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\"><span style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;color: #0000ff\">Places<\/span>: Religion Changes by Locality\u00a0<\/strong>:\u00a0Catholic Christianity in South America, Italy and the USA vary widely. Even though they may identify a the same sect of Christianity, they have very important differences. Sure, someone may think they share some \u201cessentially\u201d common elements to allow generalizations \u2014 but those who hold these faiths may disagree with the lack of importances you put on their differences.<\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\"><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\"><span style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;color: #666699\">\u201cBeliefs\u201d<\/span>: Multivalent\u00a0\u201cBelief\u201d &amp; Many-Selves<\/strong>: The notion of \u201cbelief\u201d is complex. Both the beliefist religionists and the hyper-rational atheists imagine a much more solid thing called belief. We all hold beliefs that contradict each other. We even hold incorrect beliefs, which we nonetheless, use in healthy ways when understood in the web-of-beliefs in which they complexly exist. See my posts on\u00a0<a style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\" href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2013\/10\/13\/many-selves\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Many Selves<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\" href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2013\/08\/06\/beliefianty-beliefism\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Beliefism<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\"><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\"><span style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;color: #800000\">Sects<\/span>: Wide Multitude of Religious Sub-Sects<\/strong>: From Snake-handling Fundamentalists in West Virginia to <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormons<\/a> in Idaho to Episcopals in Massachusetts the flavors of Christianity vary widely. \u00a0Their beliefs, practices and exuberance vary a great deal.<\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\"><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\"><span style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;color: #0000ff\">Lived Religions<\/span>: Variety of Individuals<\/strong>: a given person\u2019s \u201creligion\u201d \u2014 that they mean by the word \u2014 often has little to do with the doctrines their religious professionals would want them to confess. Instead, may be identity, social relations, tradition, good luck religion, imagined moral framework, holidays and rituals or comfort medicine. And when you ask the individual, they may not only be uniformed of the very religion they identify with, but even hold heretical views or practices (often unbeknownst to themselves). Heck most religious folks don\u2019t even believe a lot of what they confess.<\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\"><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\">Nebulous Meanings: Vague Definitions of\u00a0\u201cReligion\u201d<\/strong>: Even among scholars, there is not agreement on definitions of \u201creligion\u201d. \u00a0It is used in multiple ways by speakers. And when people use it in a general way, they are imagining some very specific form and practice of religion which their generalization overshoots. See my post on\u00a0<a style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\" href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2014\/03\/25\/defining-religion-an-index\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Defining Religion<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>You may feel you have sufficient objections to any one of the\u00a0above\u00a0bullets and thus feel justified in your\u00a0essentializing,\u00a0<a style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\" href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2013\/10\/22\/reification-packaging-abstractions\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">reifying<\/a>\u00a0and objectifing some spiritual or religious tradition in a general way, but you need to consider\u00a0<strong style=\"font-style: inherit\"><em style=\"font-weight: inherit\">all<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0the bullets and their interactions. Propagandists and prescriptionists are not interested in this complexity \u2014 usually because they feel it cripples their mission, but this blog is about complexity and clear thinking, not convenient rhetoric.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"font-style: inherit\">Conclusion<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>To begin, when speaking of any Christianity, use adjectives to specify which subset you are talking about. But even then, realize that you can not list enough adjectives to be careful enough. So, be careful in your generalizations and try to reflect on why you are generalizing, essentializing and\u00a0<a style=\"font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit\" href=\"http:\/\/triangulations.wordpress.com\/2013\/10\/22\/reification-packaging-abstractions\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">reifying<\/a>\u00a0such an abstract notion.<\/p>\n<p>Vehement, anti-religion atheists are committed to disparaging the word \u201creligion\u201d and so all the subtlety above is mere distraction from their mission. They will not give in an inch \u2014 nothing will stop their unscientific gross over-generalizations. Though the above information is common sense among most anthropologists and sociologist who would never generalize about religion. These atheists ironically care not for a scientific approach when it conflicts with their evangelical efforts.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There\u2019s an extensive quotation below, but click through to read the entire post. Religions around the world nurture conflict and are used as tools for great suffering and nonsense. But religion can also be used in wonderful ways. It is [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":25715,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[80],"tags":[3835,10137,10169,10660],"class_list":["post-25716","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-religion","tag-generalization","tag-reification","tag-religion","tag-sabio-lantz"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Generalizing about Religion<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There&#039;s an extensive quotation below, but\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Generalizing about Religion\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There&#039;s an extensive quotation below, but\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:author\" content=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/religionprof\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2014-08-22T13:59:58+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"James F. McGrath\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@ReligionProf\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"James F. McGrath\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"4 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html\",\"name\":\"Generalizing about Religion\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2014-08-22T13:59:58+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2014-08-22T13:59:58+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#\/schema\/person\/78342576667b872e3d259c153ce4c5bf\"},\"description\":\"Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There's an extensive quotation below, but\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Generalizing about Religion\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/\",\"name\":\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath\",\"description\":\"The Blog of Dr. James F. McGrath, Clarence L. Goodwin Chair in New Testament Language and Literature at Butler University, Indianapolis\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#\/schema\/person\/78342576667b872e3d259c153ce4c5bf\",\"name\":\"James F. McGrath\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/88ca096942acd474313f7ef4227a49da?s=96&d=identicon&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/88ca096942acd474313f7ef4227a49da?s=96&d=identicon&r=g\",\"caption\":\"James F. McGrath\"},\"description\":\"Clarence L. Goodwin Chair in New Testament Language and Literature at Butler University in Indianapolis, Indiana, USA. BD University of London, PhD Durham University. Author of John's Apologetic Christology, The Only True God, Theology and Science Fiction, and The Burial of Jesus, as well as (with Charles Haberl of Rutgers University) the two-volume Mandaean Book of John critical edition, translation, and commentary. Also author of numerous articles (and a few science fiction short stories) and the editor or co-editor of several volumes.\",\"sameAs\":[\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Ge8ul5\",\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/religionprof\/\",\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/jamesfmcgrath\/\",\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jfmcgrat\/\",\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ReligionProf\",\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/religionprof\",\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/religionprof\",\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/James_F._McGrath\"],\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/author\/james-f-mcgrath\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Generalizing about Religion","description":"Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There's an extensive quotation below, but","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Generalizing about Religion","og_description":"Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There's an extensive quotation below, but","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html","og_site_name":"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath","article_author":"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/religionprof\/","article_published_time":"2014-08-22T13:59:58+00:00","author":"James F. McGrath","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_creator":"@ReligionProf","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"James F. McGrath","Est. reading time":"4 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html","name":"Generalizing about Religion","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#website"},"datePublished":"2014-08-22T13:59:58+00:00","dateModified":"2014-08-22T13:59:58+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#\/schema\/person\/78342576667b872e3d259c153ce4c5bf"},"description":"Sabio Lantz has shared some insightful comments about the problem of generalization in discussion of religion.\u00a0There's an extensive quotation below, but","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/08\/generalizing-about-religion.html#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Generalizing about Religion"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/","name":"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath","description":"The Blog of Dr. James F. McGrath, Clarence L. Goodwin Chair in New Testament Language and Literature at Butler University, Indianapolis","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#\/schema\/person\/78342576667b872e3d259c153ce4c5bf","name":"James F. McGrath","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/88ca096942acd474313f7ef4227a49da?s=96&d=identicon&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/88ca096942acd474313f7ef4227a49da?s=96&d=identicon&r=g","caption":"James F. McGrath"},"description":"Clarence L. Goodwin Chair in New Testament Language and Literature at Butler University in Indianapolis, Indiana, USA. BD University of London, PhD Durham University. Author of John's Apologetic Christology, The Only True God, Theology and Science Fiction, and The Burial of Jesus, as well as (with Charles Haberl of Rutgers University) the two-volume Mandaean Book of John critical edition, translation, and commentary. Also author of numerous articles (and a few science fiction short stories) and the editor or co-editor of several volumes.","sameAs":["https:\/\/amzn.to\/3Ge8ul5","http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/religionprof\/","https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/jamesfmcgrath\/","https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jfmcgrat\/","https:\/\/twitter.com\/ReligionProf","http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/religionprof","https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/religionprof","https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/James_F._McGrath"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/author\/james-f-mcgrath"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25716","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/136"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=25716"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25716\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=25716"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=25716"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=25716"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}