{"id":28374,"date":"2015-03-04T15:44:39","date_gmt":"2015-03-04T20:44:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/?p=28374"},"modified":"2015-03-04T15:44:39","modified_gmt":"2015-03-04T20:44:39","slug":"proof-of-heaven","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2015\/03\/proof-of-heaven.html","title":{"rendered":"Proof of Heaven?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I am delighted to be part of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/Books\/Book-Club\/Eben-Alexander.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Patheos book club<\/a> about Eben Alexander\u2019s book, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B008AK8FHM\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B008AK8FHM&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=7S3LMBSBJISIVPRL\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon\u2019s Journey into the Afterlife<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B008AK8FHM\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/em>. It is an account of the author\u2019s experience while in a coma. It may be appropriate to call it a \u201cnear death experience.\u201d But that very term may introduce\u00a0assumptions that deserve investigation. Mystics who were not in comas have claimed to have similar experiences. And so ought the experience be treated primarily in terms of how close to death or otherwise the one having the experience happens to have been?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1451695195\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1451695195&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=UBGVOYENXKIOH4CU\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=1451695195&amp;Format=_SL110_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20\" alt=\"\" width=\"73\" height=\"110\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1451695195\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">The book has already been the subject of a great deal of publicity, which has brought <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/scienceonreligion\/2015\/01\/does-eben-alexander-prove-heaven-sort-of\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">skeptical claims and counter-claims<\/a> into the discussion. I have no reason to doubt that Dr. Alexander\u2019s\u00a0description of his experience is true.\u00a0And I, like everyone other than him, cannot verify his claims about his experience.<\/p>\n<p>And so the interesting thing to discuss is the <em>interpretation<\/em> of his experiences.<\/p>\n<p>I remember how\u00a0adamantly I rejected the suggestion that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/2013\/04\/why-am-i-a-progressive-christian.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my own \u201cborn again\u201d experience<\/a> might be \u201cpsychological.\u201d\u00a0Both the offering of that suggestion as a supposed criticism, and my\u00a0rejection of\u00a0it, reflect the mind-body dualism that many presuppose. And I think that Alexander presupposes it, when he speaks of his soul having journeyed elsewhere apart from his body. But it seems to me that his experience \u2013 which at times he expresses using\u00a0terminology\u00a0derived from Hinduism, such as Om \u2013 is every bit as compatible with\u00a0other views, such as that reality itself is fundamentally consciousness. If everything is ultimately one \u2013 as many mystics as well as physicists claim \u2013 then that is also true of body, mind, and consciousness.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNear death experiences\u201d are unlikely to ever provide what skeptics will consider adequate proof of life after death. But for me the interesting thing is the experience. We exist in a universe in which people have such experiences, and that in itself is remarkable, more so than any particular account of the mechanisms at work or the layers of reality that might be fathomed. If Alexander\u2019s experience had nothing to do with the function of his brain, then our current understanding of\u00a0the relationship between brain and memory must be completely\u00a0wrong. But this is why I have stopped bristling at the use of the term \u201cpsychological.\u201d All experience is psychological. And so\u00a0for me, even if the experience did not involve an immaterial soul leaving a material body, that doesn\u2019t make it less striking or less worth considering. The intuition that, at its deepest level, reality is not matter but\u00a0<em>love<\/em> is one that may sound like <a href=\"http:\/\/io9.com\/10-famous-scientists-who-held-surprising-supernatural-b-1689425142\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">New Age nonsense<\/a>. But does it sound that way because it genuinely makes no sense, or because we have become accustomed to try to reduce love to chemistry? If love is about relationship, then there are views of reality which are taken very seriously by philosophers and physicists, and which view relationships and\u00a0events rather than \u201cthings\u201d as the most fundamental.<\/p>\n<p>A recent <a href=\"http:\/\/onlyagame.typepad.com\/only_a_game\/2015\/02\/voiding-the-hard-problem-of-consciousness.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">post on the blog Only A Game<\/a> discussed the relationship of Process Thought to the \u201chard problem\u201d of consciousness. \u00a0(See also my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/2012\/05\/review-of-more-than-matter-by-keith-ward.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">review of Keith Ward\u2019s book\u00a0<\/a><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/2012\/05\/review-of-more-than-matter-by-keith-ward.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">More Than Matter<\/a>.<\/em>) Alexander\u2019s book also discusses this \u201chard problem\u201d which stems from taking the one thing that we can be sure of \u2013 consciousness \u2013 and making it a problem on the basis of an approach to the universe as \u201cmatter\u201d which has proven very useful in describing and studying certain aspects of what exists, but does not necessarily get at the fundamental underlying nature of things.<\/p>\n<p>In the end, I am not sure how to best interpret Dr. Alexander\u2019s experience. I am definitely committed to being extremely cautious, since, if science may not have all the answers, that is not a justification for embracing \u201calternatives\u201d uncritically. But I do think he is right to emphasize that it is a misguided\u00a0approach to reality which regards human experience, including mystical experiences and including love, as things to be reduced to physical processes, rather than as clues to the meaning and nature of reality itself.<\/p>\n<p>Alexander has created a <a href=\"http:\/\/eternea.org\/Postulates.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">website<\/a> about his experiences and those of others who\u2019ve had NDEs, which may be of interest.<\/p>\n<p>Have blog readers had these kinds of experiences? I know that even skeptics and atheists have had experiences of things that are normally considered paranormal, and interpret them in different ways. To use a phrase from the book (p.146), do you give yourself permission to believe your own eyes and your own experiences? Or do you rule out the possibility that some experiences reflect reality, because of a worldview that you adhere to which rules out the possibility that such experiences are veridical? If the latter, does that stance make sense to you, given that the experience, and the deduction about the nature of the world,\u00a0are all products of and then funneled through human consciousness? Do you believe that we\u00a0should we trust some of our reasoning and experiences, but not others? If so, why?<\/p>\n<p>I hope that readers interested in this topic will take a look at Alexander\u2019s book, but that even those who\u2019ve never read it will take this opportunity to discuss the broader\u00a0topic of the nature of existence, experience, and knowledge.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B008AK8FHM\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B008AK8FHM&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=7S3LMBSBJISIVPRL\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=B008AK8FHM&amp;Format=_SL250_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B008AK8FHM\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I am delighted to be part of the Patheos book club about Eben Alexander\u2019s book, Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon\u2019s Journey into the Afterlife. 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