{"id":2893,"date":"2010-05-15T23:41:00","date_gmt":"2010-05-15T23:41:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/05\/from-the-archives-iron-man-and-the-ascension\/"},"modified":"2010-05-15T23:41:00","modified_gmt":"2010-05-15T23:41:00","slug":"from-the-archives-iron-man-and-the-ascension","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/05\/from-the-archives-iron-man-and-the-ascension.html","title":{"rendered":"From The Archives: Iron Man and the Ascension"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Given the coincidence of the release of Iron Man 2 and the celebration of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shuckandjive.org\/2010\/05\/jet-pak-jesus.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ascension<\/a> in the Christian calendar, I thought I\u2019d adapt and repost <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2008\/10\/keith-ward-big-questions-in-science-and_18.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this blog post from a couple of years ago<\/a>:<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-size: large\">\u201cThe ascension is harder to believe in than the resurrection.\u201d<\/span> <\/div>\n<p>Someone made the above statement in a conversation we were having, and I immediately thought of something mentioned in chapter 5 of Keith Ward\u2019s book <em><span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Big-Questions-Science-Religion\/dp\/1599471353?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;link_code=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Big Questions in Science and Religion<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969&amp;o=1&amp;a=1599471353\" style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none;margin: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px !important;padding-left: 0px !important;padding-right: 0px !important;padding-top: 0px !important\" width=\"1\"><\/span><\/em>. After discussing briefly some traditional notions of time and space in cosmologies of previous ages, Ward writes (p.107), \u201cWe now know that, if [Jesus] began ascending two thousand years ago, he would not yet have left the Milky Way (unless he attained warp speed)\u201d.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.spacewar.com\/images\/iron-man-movie-bg.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/www.spacewar.com\/images\/iron-man-movie-bg.jpg\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>I then found myself thinking about the movie\u00a0<em><span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Iron-Man-Single-Disc-Robert-Downey\/dp\/B001C08RHA?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;link_code=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Iron Man<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969&amp;o=1&amp;a=B001C08RHA\" style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none;margin: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px !important;padding-left: 0px !important;padding-right: 0px !important;padding-top: 0px !important\" width=\"1\"><\/span><\/em> \u2013 specifically, the scene where Iron Man is fighting another \u201ciron man\u201d in the upper atmosphere and asks him how he dealt with the problem of freezing. A literalist might want to ask Jesus the same question. Many Christians emphasize that the risen Jesus returned to a physical, bodily existence. But not only his appearance in locked rooms, but his apparent lack of any need for oxygen, defiance of gravity and resistance to the cold and radiation of space suggest that whether one opts for extreme literalism or approaches the Bible using the historical critical method, the outcome may be the same, namely to question whether there is any sense in which Jesus in the post-Easter period may be said to exist physically. Sure, we can discuss whether or not he was manifested or experienced physically, but that is not the same as saying that he is inherently physical and\/or bodily.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/farm2.static.flickr.com\/1405\/688815317_9b87d6c8e7.jpg?v=0\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/farm2.static.flickr.com\/1405\/688815317_9b87d6c8e7.jpg?v=0\" width=\"240\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>In the same chapter already mentioned, Ward\u00a0writes (p.109), \u201cSacred space is primarily symbolic space, and it is possible that the literalization of such symbols already presages a loss of archaic religious sensibility.\u201d The idea is that <a href=\"http:\/\/otagosh.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/ascension-sunday.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">literalism<\/a>, far from being a quest to preserve the past understanding of sacred texts and ancient cosmology, badly misconstrues them. Conscious literalism is always something significantly different than naive literalism, as Borg helpfully points out.<\/p>\n<p>The key focus in this chapter of Ward\u2019s book is that the language traditionally used about God and spiritual things has been explicitly acknowledged by theologians then and (for the most part) now as being metaphorical, symbolic, pointers to a reality that is infinite and indescribable. Attempts at literalism do not, therefore, simply lead to bad science and cosmology. They represent a radical departure from what religion has meant in the past, too. The irony is that those who claim to be \u201cliteral\u201d also claim the label \u201cconservative\u201d, and yet the approach of fundamentalists is thoroughly modern and departs from the historic perspective of their faith tradition in important ways. <\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll close by adding a quote from James D. G. Dunn which I\u2019ve also <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/quote-of-day-james-d-g-dunn.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">shared on this blog before<\/a>: \u201cTo demythologize the ascension is not to deny that Jesus \u201cwent to heaven\u201d; it is simply to find a way of expressing this in language which takes it out of the realm of current or future space research\u201d (James D. G. Dunn, in his article \u201cMyth\u201d in the <em><span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dictionary-Jesus-Gospels-IVP-Bible\/dp\/0830817778?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;link_code=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=btl&amp;camp=213689&amp;creative=392969&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830817778\" style=\"border-bottom: medium none;border-left: medium none;border-right: medium none;border-top: medium none;margin: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px !important;padding-left: 0px !important;padding-right: 0px !important;padding-top: 0px !important\" width=\"1\"><\/span><\/em> (Downers Grove: IVP, 1992) p.568).<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-8373947631792362793?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Given the coincidence of the release of Iron Man 2 and the celebration of the Ascension in the Christian calendar, I thought I\u2019d adapt and repost this blog post from a couple of years ago: \u201cThe ascension is harder to believe in than the resurrection.\u201d Someone made the above statement in a conversation we were [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2893","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>From The Archives: Iron Man and the Ascension<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Given the coincidence of the release of Iron Man 2 and the celebration of the Ascension in the Christian calendar, I thought I&#039;d adapt and repost this\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/05\/from-the-archives-iron-man-and-the-ascension.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"From The Archives: Iron Man and the Ascension\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Given the coincidence of the release of Iron Man 2 and the celebration of the Ascension in the Christian calendar, I thought I&#039;d adapt and repost this\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/05\/from-the-archives-iron-man-and-the-ascension.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. 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