{"id":31866,"date":"2015-09-21T10:06:31","date_gmt":"2015-09-21T14:06:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/?p=31866"},"modified":"2015-09-21T10:06:31","modified_gmt":"2015-09-21T14:06:31","slug":"what-would-it-take-to-get-you-to-read-richard-carriers-book","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2015\/09\/what-would-it-take-to-get-you-to-read-richard-carriers-book.html","title":{"rendered":"What Would It Take To Get You To Read Richard Carrier&#8217;s Book?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2015\/09\/richard-carriers-dishonesty.html#comment-2261933403\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">A commenter on this blog mentione<\/a>d how useful it would be if scholars in Classics, ancient Jewish history, or Roman history were to read and give their impressions of Richard Carrier\u2019s book, <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1909697494\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1909697494&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=YKRPEAXNIBHNRCL3\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1909697494\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/i>. The truth is that, just as I am perhaps going to read mainstream scholarship in fields other than mine but related to mine, on which I thus need to keep up to date, but am not going to read every monograph in those fields since they may or may not prove to be persuasive, likewise those in fields which neighbor my own are unlikely to read and comment on a book like Carrier\u2019s, but only on ones which present the consensus, or which are seen\u00a0to make a big splash among scholars working in this precise area.<\/p>\n<p>But since the mythicist crowd doesn\u2019t trust New Testament scholars and historians of ancient Christianity, considering us to be importing Christian assumptions into our work, it might help if scholars who cannot be so accused were to chime in. Of course, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B0053K28TS\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B0053K28TS&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=TIJA64Y3SED45RPZ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bart Ehrman<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00HF6PAPW\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B00HF6PAPW&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=2YOPXBFSFD6WQTJ2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Maurice Casey<\/a> have done precisely that. But mythicists then claim that New Testament scholars are not using the same methods that other historians are. And so it would be useful if\u00a0historians in other areas were to do likewise \u2013 although it probably will not change anything.<\/p>\n<p>I am quite sure that, if any completely secular Classicist or historian writes a critical review of Carrier\u2019s book, they will simply become the focus of attacks by the online mythicist crowd. I\u2019m not sure what the\u00a0mythicists\u00a0will appeal to in their attempt to discredit such individuals, but they will certainly try something. It is what mythicists do. Perhaps they would even\u00a0find themselves on the receiving end of invective from Carrier himself (see <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2015\/09\/richard-carriers-dishonesty.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a> for what they might have in store for them).<\/p>\n<p>If this doesn\u2019t seem like a very compelling invitation, well of course it isn\u2019t. I\u2019m asking someone who is busy and finds it hard to keep up with the abundant literature in their own field to read something in another, and more than that, to read 700 pages of unpersuasive claims, in order to try to persuade people who are unlikely to listen, and who are on the other hand very likely to cause them headaches for their efforts.<\/p>\n<p>And so I have the feeling that simply offering to buy someone a beer is not going to be sufficient recompense.<\/p>\n<p>And so what, if anything, would convince you to take on this unpleasant, unappealing, and unrewarding task?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1909697494\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1909697494&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=YKRPEAXNIBHNRCL3\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=1909697494&amp;Format=_SL250_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1909697494\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B0053K28TS\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B0053K28TS&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=TIJA64Y3SED45RPZ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=B0053K28TS&amp;Format=_SL250_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B0053K28TS\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B00HF6PAPW\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B00HF6PAPW&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=2YOPXBFSFD6WQTJ2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=B00HF6PAPW&amp;Format=_SL250_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B00HF6PAPW\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A commenter on this blog mentioned how useful it would be if scholars in Classics, ancient Jewish history, or Roman history were to read and give their impressions of Richard Carrier\u2019s book, On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt. The truth is that, just as I am perhaps going to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":26926,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[64],"tags":[871,872,1928,1929,4643,4660,5706,7331,7853,10359,11009],"class_list":["post-31866","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-mythicism","tag-atheist","tag-atheists","tag-classicists","tag-classics","tag-historians","tag-history","tag-jewish","tag-methods","tag-mythicism","tag-richard-carrier","tag-secular"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>What Would It Take To Get You To Read Richard Carrier&#039;s Book?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"A commenter on this blog mentioned how useful it would be if scholars in Classics, ancient Jewish history, or Roman history were to read and give their\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2015\/09\/what-would-it-take-to-get-you-to-read-richard-carriers-book.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"What Would It Take To Get You To Read Richard Carrier&#039;s Book?\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"A commenter on this blog mentioned how useful it would be if scholars in Classics, ancient Jewish history, or Roman history were to read and give their\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2015\/09\/what-would-it-take-to-get-you-to-read-richard-carriers-book.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. 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