{"id":3192,"date":"2008-12-27T10:04:00","date_gmt":"2008-12-27T10:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2008\/12\/naughty-christians-of-the-bible\/"},"modified":"2008-12-27T10:04:00","modified_gmt":"2008-12-27T10:04:00","slug":"naughty-christians-of-the-bible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2008\/12\/naughty-christians-of-the-bible.html","title":{"rendered":"Naughty Christians of the Bible"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Albert Mohler (HT <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shuckandjive.org\/2008\/12\/naughty-christians-should-come-out-this.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Shuck and Jive<\/a>) posted the following in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.albertmohler.com\/blog_read.php?id=3041\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a recent blog entry<\/a>: \u201cCan a true Christian deny the virgin birth? The answer to that question must be a decisive No. Those who deny the virgin birth reject the authority of Scripture, deny the supernatural birth of the Savior, undermine the very foundations of the Gospel, and have no way of explaining the deity of Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This is wrong on so many levels.<\/p>\n<p>First, it assumes that Scripture speaks with a united voice on subjects such as these, so that, as long as one finds a passage or two that teach something, one can safely ignore other voices. When Paul states that Jesus is \u201cdescended from David according to the flesh\u201d, he is denying that Jesus was born of a virgin. Being of the royal line \u201caccording to the flesh\u201d meant descent on his father\u2019s side in that time. Coupled with his complete silence about a miraculous conception, there is no historically informed conclusion to be drawn other than that Paul either did not know about a doctrine about Jesus\u2019 \u201cvirgin birth\u201d, or if he had heard about it, he rejected it (as did many later Jewish Christians, who saw that it created problems for Jesus\u2019 descent from David).<\/p>\n<p>The virgin birth is not connected in the Bible with the deity of Christ. In fact, the only Gospel to offer something that could be accurately called a depiction of Christ as divine offers no birth story and no miraculous conception. It seems that here too we find that a historically sensitive reading of the New Testament leaves us forced to conclude that most of its authors denied (in the sense of failed to affirm) this other tenet of Christianity that Mohler considers central.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.shuckandjive.org\/2008\/12\/naughty-christians-should-come-out-this.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Shuck<\/a> has called for \u201cNaughty Christians\u201d (i.e. those that don\u2019t live up to Mohler\u2019s standard) to \u201ccome out\u201d. I am happy to do so, but I want to be clear that I am joining the ranks of a wide range of such \u201cnaughty Christians\u201d: the authors of all four of the Gospels in the New Testament, the apostle Paul, and many others.<\/p>\n<p>The irony is that, historically speaking, the only Christians who live up to Mohler\u2019s standard for what a Christian is are post-Biblical. Which means that Scripture is claimed by him as the ultimate authority, and yet none of its authors were true Christians by his standard.<\/p>\n<p>In the end, the key question \u201cconservative Christians\u201d like Mohler leave unanswered is this: in what sense is the Bible <em>authoritative<\/em> for them, when so many of its plurality of voices are silenced by them in the process of seeking \u201cwhat the Bible says\u201d on this or that topic?<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-5348813623600089384?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Albert Mohler (HT Shuck and Jive) posted the following in a recent blog entry: \u201cCan a true Christian deny the virgin birth? 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