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As I teach my class on the historical Jesus and work on my project related to the historical John the Baptist, I find myself revisiting the question of the historical value of the Gospel of John. One thing that is not noticed often enough is that a number of the early events and sayings that are mentioned are said to have occurred before John the Baptist was imprisoned or executed. That time frame certainly makes sense for the focus of Jesus\u2019 activity being in Jerusalem in this Gospel. But it also offers the intriguing possibility that Jesus may still have been part of John\u2019s movement at this stage, and that the words that he spoke may have been, if not \u201cmessages from John,\u201d then at least more directly influenced by his mentor than perhaps some of his later words and teaching may have been. This include the statement that the temple will be destroyed, and the prediction that people will not worship on either Mount Gerazim or in Jerusalem.<\/p>\n

I won\u2019t go so far (at least, not yet) as to suggest that the Gospel of John\u2019s distinctive style might owe as much to John the Baptist, if not more, as to the author of the Gospel. But the presence of similar key words in Mandaean sources, and even parables about a good shepherd<\/a> and fishing<\/a>, means that that idea at least deserves consideration, and is not at all as far fetched as it might initially appear. At the very least, however, the possibility that Mandaean sources can usefully tell us about the historical John the Baptist, and that the Gospel of John can usefully tell us about him as well as about Jesus, provided these sources are studied critically, are going to be major factors in the project I am currently engaged in. I look forward to talking about some of these things with students of mine, too, in my historical Jesus class, albeit in far less detail than the book will go into.<\/p>\n

Of related interest may be posts by Scot McKnight<\/a> and Bart Ehrman<\/a> that relate to the Gospel of John and\/or the historical Jesus.<\/p>\n

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