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<\/a>This post continues my review of (perhaps here turning more into a dialogue with) Keith Ward\u2019s<\/a> most recent book<\/a>, The Big Questions in Science and Religion<\/a>![\"\"](\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1599471353\")
.<\/p>\nThis chapter\u2019s title, like the previous, could be understood to make an unjustified assumption, in this case that<\/i> the universe<\/a> will end<\/a>. It could well be the case (as in many Eastern traditions as well as streams of Process theology) that there has always been and will always be some<\/i> universe<\/a>. Ward<\/a> once again does more justice to the range of possibilities than the chapter\u2019s title might lead one to expect.<\/p>\n An atheist once asked me to consider the question \u201cWhat would it take to make you lose your faith?<\/a>\u201d It is a question that it is important to ask, since it helps us if nothing else to determine whether our faith is unfalsifiable<\/i> and thus, as philosophers would put it, \u201cnot even false\u201d. Asking this question can also help us identify what is central to our faith and what is not. (Of course, an atheist can always ask the reverse question, \u201cWhat would it take to cause you to have faith?\u201d<\/p>\n The answer I gave then was that, were it to be possible to travel triillions of years into the future and see whether anything still existed, then the failure of anything (even God) to continue to exist would lead me to conclude that we live in a completely naturalistic universe that just happens to exist, and one day will just happen not to. Of course, if such time travel is possible, then time travellers will be able to go into that distant future and cause something to exist then. Be that as it may, I suppose what I\u2019m proposing is a form of John Hick\u2019s idea of \u201ceschatological verification\u201d. There is, however, an important difference. My \u201cfaith\u201d is not primarily a conviction that certain propositions about spiritual realities will be true. It is rather a conviction that existence is meaningful. What would ultimately undermine my faith is not a demonstration that God has different attributes than I might have imagined, but a demonstration that existence is meaningless. And for me to be persuaded that existence is meaningful, something<\/i> must at the very least continue the legacy of that which exists today. There is no need for me to exist forever as a separate personal entity. But something<\/i> must.<\/p>\n In this context, Ward makes some rather striking affirmations about \u201cmillenarianism\u201d and considers that this understanding of the Book of Revelation is harder to reconcile with scientific cosmology than the young-earth creationist understanding of Genesis is. And so he states, on the one hand, that \u201cIf millenarianism is part of Christianity, then Christianity and modern cosmology cannot be reconciled\u201d (p.56), while immediately after that he adds, \u201cMillenarianism, however, has never been part of the teaching of any mainstream Christian church\u201d (p.57).<\/p>\n Scientific cosmology cannot answer the question of whether there are spiritual realities, but it can help religions avoid making claims that are patently false about factual matters of literal truth (p.57). And this seems to be where Ward leaves the matter. If one believes in God, then believing the universe has a purpose or goal<\/a> of some sort seems a natural corollary. And the existence of God or spiritual being \u201cseems to be a matter that takes us beyond science, though not beyond the possibility of reasoned debate\u201d (p.58).<\/p>\n Whatever you may think about this last topic, there is certainly an irony in the fact that the highly developed Christian doctrine of the afterlife, with its origins in the conviction that God will deal with injustice, leads some Christians in our time to consider it appropriate to ignore injustice in this life as not mattering, because heaven is all that matters. This is so far removed from the various viewpoints one finds expressed in the New Testament on this topic, that it is hard to believe how widespread it is precisely among those who call themselves \u201cBible-believing Christians\u201d.<\/p>\n So what would it take to make you <\/em>lose your faith, or find faith? And does the notion of an afterlife help keep your faith plausible, or is it one of the implausible things that makes faith problematic to you? Please share your thoughts on these subjects!<\/p>\n This post continues my review of (perhaps here turning more into a dialogue with) Keith Ward\u2019s most recent book, The Big Questions in Science and Religion. This chapter\u2019s title, like the previous, could be understood to make an unjustified assumption, in this case that the universe will end. It could well be the case (as […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3403","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"\n![\"\"](\"https:\/\/farm2.static.flickr.com\/1047\/1372965962_486c4d5348.jpg?v=0\")
<\/a>At times it might seem that Ward might be sympathetic to this way of viewing things, since he talks of a cosmic goal of the universe<\/a> evolving persons (and perhaps eventually becoming personal itself), which does not necessarily depend on the ongoing existence of human beings. Yet elsewhere he suggests that for the universe to have a goal that is realized, then the problem of evil must be dealt with, and nothing other than a resolution of the problem for the specific individuals who suffer will suffice (pp.51-52).<\/p>\n![\"\"](\"http:\/\/mou.org\/images\/earth_universe.jpg\")
<\/a>In my own most recent book, The Burial of Jesus<\/a>![\"\"](\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1439210179\")
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