{"id":34074,"date":"2016-03-27T06:25:45","date_gmt":"2016-03-27T10:25:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=34074"},"modified":"2016-03-27T06:25:45","modified_gmt":"2016-03-27T10:25:45","slug":"davids-son-davids-lord","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2016\/03\/davids-son-davids-lord.html","title":{"rendered":"David&#8217;s Son, David&#8217;s Lord"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I should probably have looked into this question more than I have up until this point. What is the meaning of the riddle in Mark 12, in which Jesus asks how the Messiah can be David\u2019s son, when he is called David\u2019s lord in Psalm 110? The question came up in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2016\/03\/palm-sunday-and-history.html#comment-2580223812\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the comments on my blog post about \u201cPalm Sunday and History.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The first question that needs to be asked is what makes the question a riddle. It is presented as a question that stumps or silences a subset of his audience. The puzzle is that the messiah is called \u201clord\u201d by David, and yet ancestors are greater than their descendants as a rule in this context in which parents are lords and patriarchs are esteemed.<\/p>\n<p>Some have understood the point to be that the messiah is not actually descended from David. But that does not fit the scenario\u00a0or the\u00a0Psalm well.\u00a0Given the greatness of David and his dynasty, merely not being a descendant of David would not\u00a0make one David\u2019s superior, and might even make one inferior to one of his descendants!<\/p>\n<p>Others have understood the point to be about the incarnation \u2013 the one whose origins are in heaven will by definition be greater than David, even if that one becomes incarnate as a human being who stands in the line of David\u2019s descendants. The problem with this interpretation is that the\u00a0Synoptic Gospels don\u2019t view Jesus as the incarnation of a pre-existent divine being \u2013\u00a0unless one means the inspiration or possession of Jesus by God\u2019s Spirit starting from his baptism. But even that does not solve the riddle, since David too was thought to be inspired by God\u2019s Spirit.<\/p>\n<p>But perhaps the riddle is making a simpler point than we\u2019ve been allowing for, namely that the messiah, in order to merit being called \u201clord\u201d by his illustrious ancestor, must be a figure who does not simply descend from David, but surpasses him in one or more\u00a0ways.\u00a0Jesus might here be addressing those who viewed the messiah as simply a human king, one who would restore the dynasty of David to the throne, and siding instead with those who \u2013 like the author of the Parables\u00a0of Enoch \u2013 viewed the messiah as a far greater and more exalted figure.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=acts+2%3A29-36&amp;version=NIV\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Acts<\/a> may provide\u00a0confirmation of this. There Peter is depicted as preaching to the crowds and interpreting the Psalm, and contrasting Jesus with David precisely in terms of the former\u2019s exaltation to heaven to sit at God\u2019s right hand, after having been raised from the dead.<\/p>\n<p>And so\u00a0we can see what the Psalm meant for later\u00a0Christians. But did Jesus himself quote the Psalm, and if so,\u00a0how did he understand it? Did he believe that he would be saved from death or vindicated beyond death? Did he believe that he would be exalted and enthroned in heaven and given a greater dominion than David\u2019s?<\/p>\n<p>You may or may not be surprised to learn that there is good reason to answer \u201cyes\u201d to that last question. Jesus envisaged his twelve apostles judging the twelve tribes of Israel in the coming kingdom. The role that he foresaw for himself was presumably higher still.\u00a0We should not be surprised that those texts which Christians applied to Jesus because they believed him to be the messiah, would have been applied by Jesus to himself because he believed himself to be the messiah or messiah-designate.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-34124\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/files\/2016\/03\/The-Born-Supremacy.jpg\" alt=\"The Born Supremacy\" width=\"960\" height=\"720\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I should probably have looked into this question more than I have up until this point. What is the meaning of the riddle in Mark 12, in which Jesus asks how the Messiah can be David\u2019s son, when he is called David\u2019s lord in Psalm 110? 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