{"id":3697,"date":"2008-05-19T20:34:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-19T20:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2008\/05\/continuing-the-conversation-with-cylons\/"},"modified":"2008-05-19T20:34:00","modified_gmt":"2008-05-19T20:34:00","slug":"continuing-the-conversation-with-cylons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2008\/05\/continuing-the-conversation-with-cylons.html","title":{"rendered":"Continuing the Conversation with Cylons"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div>The conversation continues, drawing in more and more participants. Barefoot Bum is suspicious of the <a href=\"http:\/\/barefootbum.blogspot.com\/2008\/05\/metaphorical-interpretation-of-religion.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">metaphorical interpretation of religion<\/a> \u2013 he is <a href=\"http:\/\/anxiousmofo.wordpress.com\/2008\/05\/19\/neil-degrasse-tyson-from-beyond-belief-2006\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">an atheist who appreciates poetry and metaphor<\/a>, and even psychological experiences that may be described as mystical, but wonders whether this is not just a \u201cwedge\u201d to get claims about traditional theistic concepts of God in the door.\n<p>Doug Chaplin emphasizes that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.metacatholic.co.uk\/2008\/05\/no-such-thing-as-pure-experience\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">there is no such thing as pure experience<\/a>. We always interpret our experiences in light of beliefs we already have, and use mental and linguistic categories that are already in place to interpret, describe, and make sense of them.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/farm2.static.flickr.com\/1109\/1300777395_94e0cfe659.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"178\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/farm2.static.flickr.com\/1109\/1300777395_94e0cfe659.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/a>Sometimes we need to speak plainly, without figures of speech. The Cylon #6 spoke of death not long before her own on <a href=\"http:\/\/memles.wordpress.com\/2008\/05\/17\/battlestar-galactica-guess-whats-coming-to-dinner\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this past week\u2019s episode of Battlestar Galactica<\/a>, echoing the sentiment expressed in the Orson Scott Card short story \u201cMortal Gods\u201d: \u201cTo live meaningful lives, we must die and not return. The one human \u2018flaw\u2019 that you spend your lives distressing over \u2013 <i>mortality<\/i> \u2013 is the one thing\u2026well, it\u2019s the one thing that makes you whole\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>But sometimes metaphor, like fiction, allows us to explore things that are too mysterious, too obscure, or in some cases too painful to express in concrete terms, without anything to soften the blow.<\/p>\n<p>I hope those who have had religious experiences will chime in and share what they think it does (and does not) tell them about the nature of reality, and how (if at all) one can express such experiences without metaphors or symbols, or at the very least in everyday language.<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-1408117036969475429?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The conversation continues, drawing in more and more participants. Barefoot Bum is suspicious of the metaphorical interpretation of religion \u2013 he is an atheist who appreciates poetry and metaphor, and even psychological experiences that may be described as mystical, but wonders whether this is not just a \u201cwedge\u201d to get claims about traditional theistic concepts [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3697","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Continuing the Conversation with Cylons<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"The conversation continues, drawing in more and more participants. 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