{"id":3702,"date":"2008-05-16T12:20:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-16T12:20:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2008\/05\/does-being-exist\/"},"modified":"2008-05-16T12:20:00","modified_gmt":"2008-05-16T12:20:00","slug":"does-being-exist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2008\/05\/does-being-exist.html","title":{"rendered":"Does Being Exist?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>If the title of this post seems odd, I agree. But it helpfully shows why adherents to <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Panentheism\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">panentheism<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/community.livejournal.com\/sufism\/33277.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Sufi Islam<\/a>, some branches of <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/09\/letting-god-buddhism-and-bultmann.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Buddhism<\/a>, process theology, existentialist theology, linguistic theology and pantheism (and perhaps others such as \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/11\/welcome-richard-m.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">mystical atheists<\/a>\u201c) find themselves frustrated by <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2008\/05\/not-getting-through.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">repeated questions<\/a> such as \u201cWhat sophisticated arguments can you offer for the existence of <a href=\"http:\/\/notes-from-offcenter.com\/2008\/05\/15\/god-and-supernaturalism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">supernatural beings<\/a>?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Paul Tillich, one of the great and extremely influential theologians of the 20th century, spoke of God as Being itself rather than \u201ca being\u201d. In other words, the discussion is not about a certain type of being (immoral, invisible, omniscient and omnipotent and presumably omnivorous as well) that exists in the universe, whether he be called <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2008\/05\/i-was-going-to-call-this-blog-entry.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Yahweh<\/a> or Zeus or <a href=\"https:\/\/listhost.uchicago.edu\/pipermail\/ane\/2003-March\/007559.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Ba\u2019al Shamayim<\/a>. The discussion is about the <em>nature of Existence itself<\/em>. Is reality deep? Does it have transcendence as one of its characteristics? Of course, we cannot answer that definitively from our perspective. Could the mitochondria in our bodies be expected to perceive the nature of the existence of the bodies of which they are a part? We have only metaphors and a perception that we are part of something greater than ourselves, which transcends us and embraces us. The language we use is symbolic of mystery and is <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/07\/god-is-mystery-not-explanation.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">not intended to be an explanation<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>This concept is not a new one, although it is obvious that it is unfamiliar to fundamentalists and to those <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/12\/repost-of-christian-atheist-dialogue.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">non-religious<\/a> individuals who have only heard about religion from fundamentalists. The Sufi mystics of Islam have long interpreted the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Shahadah\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">shahada<\/a>, the Islamic statement of faith that \u201cThere is no God but God\u201d, to mean that \u201cnothing but God exists\u201d. Everything exists within God \u2013 i.e. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=mChOq2V1AYQ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">panentheism<\/a>. This doesn\u2019t mean that God is thought of in \u201csupernatural\u201d terms in the sense that the soul was thought of in this way in Greek, Hindu and classic Western E<a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/enlightenment-and-enlightenment.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">nlightenment<\/a> thought. What was referred to as \u201cthe soul\u201d in these traditions is now viewed by many as an emergent phenomenon rather than a separate spiritual substance. In the same way God may be viewed not as a separate spiritual substance that permeates the universe, but as a higher level of organization of that which exists.<\/p>\n<p>No one suggests that science isn\u2019t science because it doesn\u2019t hold the same conclusions that science did a few hundred years ago. But <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/09\/why-i-am-christian.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christians<\/a> are berated by <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/08\/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do-richard-dawkins.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">atheists<\/a> as not really being <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2008\/04\/what-is-christianity.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christians<\/a> because they <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2008\/04\/re-thinking-christianity.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">don\u2019t hold precisely the beliefs Christians did almost two millenia ago<\/a>. Am I the only one who can see the irony in this?<\/p>\n<p>Theologians have been exploring understandings of God other than those of classic theism and contemporary <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/07\/whats-wrong-with-being-right.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">fundamentalism<\/a> for centuries. Yet those who are unfamiliar with this intellectual and spiritual enterprise continue to ask questions that are the theological equivalent of \u201cIf humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So if you are looking for evidence that ancient deities and angels exist, with or without wings, residing on Mt. Olympus or just beyond the moon, I don\u2019t believe that such entities exist. They were ancient explanations for what we today recognize as <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2008\/04\/this-is-repost-of-something-i-wrote-on.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">natural phenomena<\/a>. But if you are asking about language that can give symbolic expression to the sense of awe many people feel about the \u201cmiracle\u201d that anything exists at all, much less that we exist and can ponder the nature of our existence and wonder about these mysteries, then theology has a lot to offer. Not logical <a href=\"http:\/\/notes-from-offcenter.com\/2008\/05\/16\/dear-atheist\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">arguments<\/a> for the existence of invisible persons, but metaphors that allow us to give voice to our limited and inadequate perception of life\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/religioncompass.wordpress.com\/2008\/03\/06\/taking-the-purple-pill-on-the-paradoxical-pedagogy-of-mysticism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">inexpressable mystery<\/a>, then theology has a lot to offer. That doesn\u2019t mean that amateurs can\u2019t do theology, or write poetry, or make music, or even make scientific discoveries. But in every field, there is a body of knowledge and wisdom that has accumulated that allows one to not repeat all the mistakes and positive groundwork done in the past and build on what has gone before, rather than reinventing the wheel. If one wishes to discuss theology at that sort of level of academic sophistication, it involves significant reading and research to inform oneself, and not simply a handful of conversations with fundamentalists.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-7271993629821991396?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If the title of this post seems odd, I agree. But it helpfully shows why adherents to panentheism, Sufi Islam, some branches of Buddhism, process theology, existentialist theology, linguistic theology and pantheism (and perhaps others such as \u201cmystical atheists\u201c) find themselves frustrated by repeated questions such as \u201cWhat sophisticated arguments can you offer for the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3702","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Does Being Exist?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"If the title of this post seems odd, I agree. 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