{"id":37894,"date":"2019-12-02T05:02:43","date_gmt":"2019-12-02T10:02:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=37894"},"modified":"2019-11-30T22:18:36","modified_gmt":"2019-12-01T03:18:36","slug":"jesus-james-and-peter-mythicism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2019\/12\/jesus-james-and-peter-mythicism.html","title":{"rendered":"Jesus, James, and Peter Mythicism"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>It is worth noting precisely what it is that mythicists do with Paul\u2019s references to Jesus in his letters, and just how easily the same could be done with James, the brother of Jesus, whom most mythicists accept was an actual person, while denying that he was actually Jesus\u2019 brother. They emphasize that he is not called \u201cthe brother of Jesus\u201d but \u201cthe brother of the Lord\u201d as though the Lord, for Paul, were not clearly Jesus. Some have even tried to claim that he was the brother of Yahweh, showing that mythicists are clutching at straws and have no real understanding of what ancient Jews and early Christians believed.<\/p>\n<p>And so why don\u2019t they go further still? Paul <em>went up<\/em> to Jerusalem. Surely this could refer to a heavenly journey to the heavenly Jerusalem, during which he met Jacob, Yahweh\u2019s brother. Simple! After all, Paul himself says that he was taken up to the third heaven.<\/p>\n<p>My objection to this (in case you are starting to think maybe I\u2019m onto something) is that it is the same approach religious fundamentalists take to the text, deciding what it is allowed to mean in advance, and then accepting any interpretation that provides that desired meaning, without discussion or consideration of whether the text\u00a0<em>more likely<\/em> means what they think it should. Mythicists prooftext rather than exegete.<\/p>\n<p>Of related interest:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/historyforatheists.com\/2019\/10\/nazareth-myth\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">History for Atheists on the Nazareth myth<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bibleandclassstruggle.wordpress.com\/2019\/09\/20\/jesus-mythicism-and-the-invisibility-of-the-poor\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus mythicism and the invisibility of the poor<\/a><\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/brucegerencser.net\/2019\/10\/questions-do-you-believe-jesus-was-a-real-person\/<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/brucegerencser.net\/2019\/11\/harry-mccall-objects-to-my-rejection-of-mythicism-says-i-hate-him\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bruce also interacts with Harry McCall<\/a>, who claims that I \u201cremoved from both his blog and Butler University religion faculty description any claim that he debunks claims that the New Testament Jesus never existed.\u201d I have no idea what he is talking about, but I am happy to reiterate here that I do indeed debunk Jesus-mythicist nonsense, when time allows. Bruce writes nicely on this topic, in a way that meshes with points I made above:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Harry McCall\u2026is a mythicist zealot. He\u2019s the kind of \u201cbeliever\u201d who puts people into two categories: \u201cagainst\u201d him or \u201cfor\u201d him. McCall is convinced that he has overwhelming proved that the historical Jesus is a myth, and anyone who reads his writings will come to the same conclusion. Those who don\u2019t are immediately condemned and summarily executed.<\/p>\n<p>McCall thinks that just because he writes something, that those who disagree with it or mythicism, in general, are obligated to refute him. I see similar behavior from Christian Fundamentalists. Over the years, I have had countless Evangelicals demand that I answer their \u201cirrefutable\u201d arguments for their peculiar brand of Christianity. There was a time when I would do so, but I later came to the conclusion that it was a waste of time. Zealots, be they Christian, atheist, or \u201cspiritual,\u201d are closed-minded. Their goal is not discussion, it\u2019s conversion.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>https:\/\/brucegerencser.net\/2019\/11\/harry-mccall-objects-to-my-rejection-of-mythicism-says-i-hate-him\/<\/p>\n<p>See too:<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/godlessindixie\/2019\/10\/17\/episode-18-was-jesus-a-real-person\/<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"ndWx19hMpK\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/rbecs.org\/2019\/09\/20\/mjt\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Memory and the Jesus\u00a0Tradition<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cMemory and the Jesus\u00a0Tradition\u201d \u2014 Biblical and Early Christian Studies\" src=\"https:\/\/rbecs.org\/2019\/09\/20\/mjt\/embed\/#?secret=3a4BC6BolK#?secret=ndWx19hMpK\" data-secret=\"ndWx19hMpK\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.allanbevere.com\/2019\/09\/saturday-at-cinema-introduction-to.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Allan Bevere shared an introduction to the Gospel of Matthew in video form<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.billheroman.com\/2019\/09\/gospels-as-biographies.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bill Heroman blogged about the Gospels as biographies<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bibleinterp.arizona.edu\/articles\/logic-jesus-resurrection\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bruce Chilton wrote about the logic of Jesus\u2019 resurrection<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Apologists aren\u2019t helpful when they appeal to evidence that isn\u2019t conclusive, never mind evidence that may be fabricated or altered:<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/askanapologist.com\/2019\/10\/09\/did-jesus-exist\/<\/p>\n<p>Also related to history and Jesus, and the limits of historical study when it comes to certain things many Christians want to say about Jesus:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/podacre.blogspot.com\/2019\/10\/nt-pod-86-in-conversation-with-chris.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mark Goodacre and Chris Keith talked about criteria of authenticity on the NT Pod<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>A recent study on the genre of the Gospels:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"SagT3bAytT\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/euangelion\/2019\/09\/re-thinking-gospel-genre-after-richard-burridge\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Re-thinking Gospel Genre After Richard Burridge<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cRe-thinking Gospel Genre After Richard Burridge\u201d \u2014 Euangelion\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/euangelion\/2019\/09\/re-thinking-gospel-genre-after-richard-burridge\/embed\/#?secret=56Zjc0UbAN#?secret=SagT3bAytT\" data-secret=\"SagT3bAytT\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>A book about the Gospel of John in Jesus research:<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/biblicalstudies.org.uk\/blog\/gospel-of-john-in-historical-inquiry\/<\/p>\n<p>And more broadly on Jesus and history, there was a preview of Craig Keener\u2019s new book, which I plan to blog about:<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/eerdword.com\/2019\/08\/30\/ancient-biography-and-the-reliability-of-the-canonical-gospels\/<\/p>\n<p>Keener shared a couple of interviews he gave, including <a href=\"https:\/\/seanmcdowell.org\/blog\/fascinating-interview-craig-keener-on-his-new-book-christobiography\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">one with Sean McDowell<\/a> in written form, and then this video:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"8iqZhvugKo\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/why-are-the-gospels-the-best-sources-about-jesus-historically-13-42-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Why are the Gospels the best sources about Jesus historically? (13.42 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cWhy are the Gospels the best sources about Jesus historically? (13.42 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/why-are-the-gospels-the-best-sources-about-jesus-historically-13-42-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=hljI8eMHfb#?secret=8iqZhvugKo\" data-secret=\"8iqZhvugKo\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>More from Keener:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"8TtbCDVj7I\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/reliability-of-the-gospels-article-influence-magazine\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Reliability of the Gospels article (Influence magazine)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cReliability of the Gospels article (Influence magazine)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/reliability-of-the-gospels-article-influence-magazine\/embed\/#?secret=VynewY8wSb#?secret=8TtbCDVj7I\" data-secret=\"8TtbCDVj7I\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"mWuZysGRty\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/epistemology-and-historical-arguments-a-few-thoughts\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistemology and historical arguments\u2014a few thoughts<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cEpistemology and historical arguments\u2014a few thoughts\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/epistemology-and-historical-arguments-a-few-thoughts\/embed\/#?secret=xmfSmyqBoD#?secret=mWuZysGRty\" data-secret=\"mWuZysGRty\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"uRtM5hKuqH\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-3-8-15-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus interview, part 3 (8.15 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus interview, part 3 (8.15 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-3-8-15-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=yjtXElY1se#?secret=uRtM5hKuqH\" data-secret=\"uRtM5hKuqH\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"WlUQ2AVtUO\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-4-8-15-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus interview part 4 (8.15 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus interview part 4 (8.15 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-4-8-15-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=XAAdHxhGpE#?secret=WlUQ2AVtUO\" data-secret=\"WlUQ2AVtUO\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Nqz0ylQX3i\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-part-5-11-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus part 5 (11 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus part 5 (11 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-part-5-11-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=icAPGGGZAf#?secret=Nqz0ylQX3i\" data-secret=\"Nqz0ylQX3i\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"3uzIf8ZpNt\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-part-6-8-31-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus part 6 (8.31 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus part 6 (8.31 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-part-6-8-31-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=HpA2t2dlIu#?secret=3uzIf8ZpNt\" data-secret=\"3uzIf8ZpNt\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"djSv9SmuxM\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-7-17-31-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus interview, part 7 (17.31 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus interview, part 7 (17.31 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-7-17-31-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=LeyrBVGlTf#?secret=djSv9SmuxM\" data-secret=\"djSv9SmuxM\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"i7zsZW9jh5\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-8-7-41-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus interview, part 8 (7.41 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus interview, part 8 (7.41 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-8-7-41-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=dv9SxbeVTA#?secret=i7zsZW9jh5\" data-secret=\"i7zsZW9jh5\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"0tlbp2BNmI\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-8-7-41-minutes-2\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus interview part 9 (13.16 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus interview part 9 (13.16 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-part-8-7-41-minutes-2\/embed\/#?secret=MsKnLNbb8x#?secret=0tlbp2BNmI\" data-secret=\"0tlbp2BNmI\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"4VBaENxG26\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-conclusion-6-minutes\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Historical Jesus interview, conclusion (6 minutes)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHistorical Jesus interview, conclusion (6 minutes)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-interview-conclusion-6-minutes\/embed\/#?secret=rU985xDjqr#?secret=4VBaENxG26\" data-secret=\"4VBaENxG26\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"jtEtzSbXnj\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/reliability-of-the-gospels-christianity-today-interview\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Reliability of the Gospels (Christianity Today interview)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cReliability of the Gospels (Christianity Today interview)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/reliability-of-the-gospels-christianity-today-interview\/embed\/#?secret=AUorOpsmF6#?secret=jtEtzSbXnj\" data-secret=\"jtEtzSbXnj\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"jXuC42e8mP\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/panel-discussion-with-craig-bart-ehrman-mike-licona-rob-bowman-1-hour\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Panel discussion with Craig, Bart Ehrman, Mike Licona, Rob Bowman (1 hour)<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cPanel discussion with Craig, Bart Ehrman, Mike Licona, Rob Bowman (1 hour)\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/panel-discussion-with-craig-bart-ehrman-mike-licona-rob-bowman-1-hour\/embed\/#?secret=Iv8eThOr2Q#?secret=jXuC42e8mP\" data-secret=\"jXuC42e8mP\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"I9HwCl2xNv\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/summary-of-christobiography\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Summary of Christobiography<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cSummary of Christobiography\u201d \u2014 Bible Backgrounds\" src=\"https:\/\/craigkeener.com\/summary-of-christobiography\/embed\/#?secret=cRbwt7MvkU#?secret=I9HwCl2xNv\" data-secret=\"I9HwCl2xNv\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/eerdword.com\/2019\/10\/23\/christobiography-within-the-frame-of-living-memory\/<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"r4jnMnrrCR\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2019\/11\/14\/gospels-biographies-histories\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Gospels, Biographies, Histories<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cGospels, Biographies, Histories\u201d \u2014 Jesus Creed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2019\/11\/14\/gospels-biographies-histories\/embed\/#?secret=CkFlhhzCeC#?secret=r4jnMnrrCR\" data-secret=\"r4jnMnrrCR\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>See also <a href=\"https:\/\/worldviewbulletin.substack.com\/p\/useful-things-october-5-2019\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this interview with Keener<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.craigkeener.com\/historical-jesus-video-interview-1-hr\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">and another<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Oo8bQnTyjo\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/rbecs.org\/2019\/10\/18\/christobiography\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christobiography<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cChristobiography\u201d \u2014 Biblical and Early Christian Studies\" src=\"https:\/\/rbecs.org\/2019\/10\/18\/christobiography\/embed\/#?secret=rvcZOO7sBq#?secret=Oo8bQnTyjo\" data-secret=\"Oo8bQnTyjo\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblicalstudies.org.uk\/book_gospels-as-historical-documents_stanton-3-vols.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Vincent Henry Stanton, <em>The Gospels as Historical Documents<\/em><\/a>, is available for free online.<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/thewayofimprovement.com\/2019\/10\/28\/carlo-ginzburg-on-the-study-of-history-and-the-boundaries-of-his-commitments\/<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"b1HCdMUWl9\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.psephizo.com\/biblical-studies\/capturing-the-surprise-of-the-resurrection\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Capturing the surprise of the resurrection<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cCapturing the surprise of the resurrection\u201d \u2014 Psephizo\" src=\"https:\/\/www.psephizo.com\/biblical-studies\/capturing-the-surprise-of-the-resurrection\/embed\/#?secret=FQnrWI3Fm5#?secret=b1HCdMUWl9\" data-secret=\"b1HCdMUWl9\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"lX4aJcIsNz\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.psephizo.com\/biblical-studies\/are-there-contradictions-in-the-resurrection-accounts\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Are there contradictions in the resurrection accounts?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cAre there contradictions in the resurrection accounts?\u201d \u2014 Psephizo\" src=\"https:\/\/www.psephizo.com\/biblical-studies\/are-there-contradictions-in-the-resurrection-accounts\/embed\/#?secret=0kwda2pwWn#?secret=lX4aJcIsNz\" data-secret=\"lX4aJcIsNz\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"zknBrcvaR9\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/womenintheology.org\/2019\/04\/29\/fear-and-resurrection-the-fear-of-the-jews-and-its-aftermath\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Fear and Resurrection: \u201cThe Fear of the Jews\u201d and its\u00a0Aftermath<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cFear and Resurrection: \u201cThe Fear of the Jews\u201d and its\u00a0Aftermath\u201d \u2014 WIT\" src=\"https:\/\/womenintheology.org\/2019\/04\/29\/fear-and-resurrection-the-fear-of-the-jews-and-its-aftermath\/embed\/#?secret=515A5GxmLD#?secret=zknBrcvaR9\" data-secret=\"zknBrcvaR9\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"NBRMsk9vOV\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/jamestabor.com\/the-making-of-a-messiah-did-jesus-claim-to-be-the-messiah-and-predict-his-suffering-and-death\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Making of a Messiah: Did Jesus Claim to be the Messiah and Predict His Suffering and Death?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cThe Making of a Messiah: Did Jesus Claim to be the Messiah and Predict His Suffering and Death?\u201d \u2014 TaborBlog\" src=\"https:\/\/jamestabor.com\/the-making-of-a-messiah-did-jesus-claim-to-be-the-messiah-and-predict-his-suffering-and-death\/embed\/#?secret=ly2CKMiQoQ#?secret=NBRMsk9vOV\" data-secret=\"NBRMsk9vOV\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Also related to resurrection accounts:<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/www.wilgafney.com\/2019\/04\/21\/was-it-all-a-dream-a-resurrection-story\/<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It is worth noting precisely what it is that mythicists do with Paul\u2019s references to Jesus in his letters, and just how easily the same could be done with James, the brother of Jesus, whom most mythicists accept was an actual person, while denying that he was actually Jesus\u2019 brother. 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