{"id":380,"date":"2011-02-03T15:54:00","date_gmt":"2011-02-03T15:54:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/02\/ccm-praise-songs-we-have-trouble-with-meme-at-the-religionscience-interface\/"},"modified":"2011-02-03T15:54:00","modified_gmt":"2011-02-03T15:54:00","slug":"ccm-praise-songs-we-have-trouble-with-meme-at-the-religionscience-interface","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2011\/02\/ccm-praise-songs-we-have-trouble-with-meme-at-the-religionscience-interface.html","title":{"rendered":"CCM Praise Songs We Have Trouble With Meme (at the Religion\/Science Interface)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/politicaljesus.com\/2011\/02\/02\/ccm-praise-songs-we-have-trouble-with-a-meme\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rod of Alexandria has come up with an interesting meme<\/a>, asking bloggers what Contemporary Christian Music songs they have problems with. He\u2019s not referring to my struggles to come up with a more impressive keyboard solo for \u201cRock of Ages,\u201d but lyrics we object to. As he rightly indicates, there are many to choose from.\u00a0My first instinct was to\u00a0go with \u201cGod of Wonders\u201d because, even though there are many levels on which I like the song, there is one phrase in particular that always makes me bristle: \u201cGod of wonders, beyond our galaxy\u2026\u201d That illustrates well the problem of how the meaning of Biblical language changes against the backdrop of our current cosmology.<\/p>\n<p>And, while we\u2019re on that subject, I want to <a href=\"http:\/\/brgulker.wordpress.com\/2011\/02\/03\/an-interesting-series-on-christian-universalism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">link to a post at\u00a0Hoping for Redemption<\/a> about\u00a0a post by Tony Jones. The focus is on how Jesus held a cosmology that we today cannot, and suggests that this should affect not only how we think about the relationship between science and faith, but also whether we accept the idea of the existence of hell.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, back to the meme. I\u2019ve decided to go with the song \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sing365.com\/music\/Lyric.nsf\/Indescribable-lyrics-Chris-Tomlin\/A8C7AFC4531F88EC48256FB90012B153\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Indescribable<\/a>\u201d by Chris Tomlin\u00a0for the following reasons:<\/p>\n<p>1) If God is indescribable, you\u2019d really do much better to sing \u201cIndescribable\u201d and then stop and add no more lyrics. (As an aside, apophatic worship ought to be explored, as the antithesis of the tradition that requires a capella singing and rejects all instruments.)<\/p>\n<p>2) \u201cWho has told every lightning bolt where it should go\u2026?\u201d If the answer is God, then this is deeply problematic.<\/p>\n<p>3) \u201cOr seen heavenly storehouses laden with snow\u2026?\u201d This language from Job highlights an irony in being a modern reader of the book. In emphasizing God\u2019s superiority and unfathomable wisdom in creation, it makes references to these storehouses which we today know do not exist. And so the point in the Book of Job can probably be made effectively today \u2013 but it will require using images from the Hubble Telescope,\u00a0rather than\u00a0the actual language in Job.<\/p>\n<p>4) \u201cWho imagined the sun and gives source to its light, Yet conceals it to bring us the coolness of night?\u201d The answer to the second question is \u201cthe Earth.\u201d And so it is hard to hear or read such lyrics in the present and not hear <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=2BCipg71LbI&amp;feature=player_embedded\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bill O\u2019Reilly saying \u201cthe tide goes in, the tide goes out\u2026\u201d<\/a> I\u2019ve <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/p4-progressivepanentheist-praise.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">talked previously about the need for progressive Christian music<\/a>, and presumably there\u2019s every bit as much of a need for scientifically accurate and up-to-date Christian music.<\/p>\n<p>For those who aren\u2019t familiar with it, here\u2019s the song:<\/p>\n<p>I really want to tag <a href=\"http:\/\/scotteriology.wordpress.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Scott Bailey<\/a>,\u00a0to second Rod\u2019s tagging of him,\u00a0but\u00a0he is foregoing blogging at the moment. So let me tag\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.christilling.de\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Chris Tilling<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/clayboy.co.uk\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Doug Chaplin<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/wheatamongtares.blogspot.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wheat Among Tares<\/a>, and add\u00a0that whoever likes the idea of this meme and is reading this can and should participate.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-8310241500781774020?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rod of Alexandria has come up with an interesting meme, asking bloggers what Contemporary Christian Music songs they have problems with. 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