{"id":38402,"date":"2018-03-21T05:51:20","date_gmt":"2018-03-21T09:51:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=38402"},"modified":"2018-03-15T08:52:35","modified_gmt":"2018-03-15T12:52:35","slug":"secret-mark-rock-lyrics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2018\/03\/secret-mark-rock-lyrics.html","title":{"rendered":"Secret Mark and Rock Lyrics"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Some months ago, there was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2017\/06\/24\/what-exactly-lurks-within-the-backward-grooves-of-stairway-to-heaven\/#.WVHSWThDsbY.facebook\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">a Salon article about Stairway to Heaven<\/a> and what is really there when it is <a href=\"http:\/\/mentalfloss.com\/article\/28548\/devil-wears-headphones-brief-history-backmasking\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">played backwards<\/a>. I\u2019ve been thinking for a while now that there is a useful comparison that can be made between the phenomenon of people detecting backwards messages in rock music, and the detection of alleged signs of forgery (supposedly reflecting homosexual emphases and overtones) in the Secret Gospel of Mark.<\/p>\n<p>Just like the meme that \u201cthere are backwards messages in rock music\u201d continues to circulate independently of any specific evidence and apparently immune to debunking, so too the claim that \u201cSecret Mark has been shown to be a forgery\u201d circulates in a similar way, oblivious to all the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nasscal.com\/2017\/08\/28\/nasscal-member-publication-daniel-gullota-and-stephen-huller-quentin-quesnells-secret-mark-secret\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">evidence<\/a> against that claim.<\/p>\n<p>As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.apocryphicity.ca\/2018\/02\/01\/2018-new-testament-apocrypha-course-reflections-on-week-4\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Tony Burke wrote in a recent blog post<\/a>, \u201cI am fully convinced by Allan Pantuck that Smith did not forge the text but I remain agnostic about whether Clement\u2019s letter describing the text is truly ancient, or even truly by Clement. I hope, at least, that the students see that the apparent homoerotic content in the text is largely in the imaginations of its critics\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/friendlyatheist\/2018\/02\/05\/this-simple-song-appears-impossible-to-decode-for-the-christians-who-love-it\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\">Hemant Mehta commented<\/a> on the inability of some Christians to hear what a song\u2019s lyrics were saying, because they processed them through their own narrow religious framework. And <a href=\"https:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2018\/02\/26\/an-exercise-for-the-reader\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">PZ Myers shared<\/a> an example of how young-earth creationists show themselves unable to hear enough about the basics of evolution to not pose \u201cchallenges\u201d that are laughable.<\/p>\n<p>Very interestingly, <a href=\"http:\/\/ibilby.net\/?p=675\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Mark Bilby wrote a blog post<\/a> in which he made the problematic assumption that the Secret Gospel of Mark is a forgery \u2013 but intriguingly also explored the possibility that its interpretation of Mark\u2019s naked man might be correct!\u00a0 I wanted to quote it anyway, because of this wonderful section:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In sum, a diversity of methods for studying the New Testament is vital, not only to respect the diversity of our fellow human beings who read these texts, but also because of the enormous diversity of the texts themselves. While a simplistic kind of faith tends to see everything in the Bible or New Testament as bound by a divinely imposed uniformity, a close, scholarly reading of these texts sees tremendous linguistic, cultural, philosophical, rhetorical, theological, and even ethical diversity.<\/p>\n<p>If the New Testament is a song, it\u2019s not a solo. It\u2019s a gloriously diverse choir.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daylightatheism\/2014\/09\/the-wall-of-silence-around-michael-shermer\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\">Michael Shermer<\/a> has talked in several online videos about what is going on when the brain detects words and meaning in music played backwards, and so even though I can think of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thespectroscope.com\/read\/if-youve-been-accused-of-sexual-harassment-maybe-dont-sing-by-lenny-teytelman-372\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">many reasons to refrain from sharing things by Shermer<\/a> any longer, these talks are so relevant to this topic that perhaps the best thing to do is to share the videos while also making sure that readers of this blog are aware of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thespectroscope.com\/read\/if-youve-been-accused-of-sexual-harassment-maybe-dont-sing-by-lenny-teytelman-372\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">accusations<\/a>\u00a0of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/daylightatheism\/2014\/09\/the-wall-of-silence-around-michael-shermer\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">sexual assault<\/a>\u00a0against Shermer. If you are nonetheless inclined to do watch them, the videos below are about the mind\u2019s turning of the sound of music played backwards into words (and see also <a href=\"https:\/\/ehrmanblog.org\/bart-ehrman-and-michael-shermer-science-salon-series-18\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Bart Ehrman\u2019s conversation with him, which he shared on his blog<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Michael Shermer: Why people believe weird things\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.ted.com\/talks\/michael_shermer_why_people_believe_weird_things\" width=\"500\" height=\"376\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Why people believe weird things | Michael Shermer\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/8T_jwq9ph8k?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"s2MAW7wePj\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nasscal.com\/2017\/08\/28\/nasscal-member-publication-daniel-gullota-and-stephen-huller-quentin-quesnells-secret-mark-secret\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">NASSCAL Member Publication: Daniel Gullota and Stephen H\u00fcller, \u201cQuentin Quesnell\u2019s Secret Mark Secret\u201d<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cNASSCAL Member Publication: Daniel Gullota and Stephen H\u00fcller, \u201cQuentin Quesnell\u2019s Secret Mark Secret\u201d\u201d \u2014 NASSCAL\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nasscal.com\/2017\/08\/28\/nasscal-member-publication-daniel-gullota-and-stephen-huller-quentin-quesnells-secret-mark-secret\/embed\/#?secret=21EhJbrTzj#?secret=s2MAW7wePj\" data-secret=\"s2MAW7wePj\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/www.apocryphicity.ca\/2018\/02\/01\/2018-new-testament-apocrypha-course-reflections-on-week-4\/<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/upcpsych1-winter2010-topic3.wikispaces.com\/Subliminal+Messages+in+Music\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-43811 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/719\/2018\/03\/subliminal_messages_207665.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"377\"><\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some months ago, there was a Salon article about Stairway to Heaven and what is really there when it is played backwards. 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