{"id":4160,"date":"2007-10-27T22:52:00","date_gmt":"2007-10-27T22:52:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/10\/the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag-and-it-is-wearing-an-id\/"},"modified":"2007-10-27T22:52:00","modified_gmt":"2007-10-27T22:52:00","slug":"the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag-and-it-is-wearing-an-id","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/10\/the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag-and-it-is-wearing-an-id.html","title":{"rendered":"The Cat Is Out Of The Bag &#8211; And It Is Wearing An ID!"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Apparently the (comically unsuccessful) conspiracy that some proponents of intelligent design had been engaged in, to obscure their connection with particular religious traditions and outlooks, is breaking down. <a href=\"http:\/\/pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2007\/10\/science-v-intel-12.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Michael Behe has made the connection explicit<\/a> (in the process <a href=\"http:\/\/www.evolutionnews.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">he calls Ken Miller a proponent of intelligent design as well<\/a>). <a href=\"http:\/\/pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2007\/10\/bill-oreilly-jo.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bill O\u2019Reilly<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2007\/10\/the-oreillystei.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">also<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2007\/10\/bill-oreilly-ri.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">made the connection between ID and religion explicit<\/a>, as did <a href=\"http:\/\/pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2007\/10\/ben-klein-expel.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ben Stein<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>To most people it was perfectly obvious anyway. It certainly was to its supporters in pews. But it also came across in other more subtle ways, such as when a book like <em>The Spiritual Brain<\/em> claimed to be an unbiased look at the evidence for the soul as traditional conceived, but paid little attention to any evidence (such as ghosts or memories of past lives) that would not fit well in a historic orthodox Christian worldview. My point is not that such evidence is strong or weak, but it certainly exists and would be of anyone merely doing scientific research on the soul or related areas. To set such evidence aside, when many have found it persuasive or at least intriguing, shows that there is indeed an ideological bias, and it isn\u2019t merely in favor of religion in general, but of a particular tradition understood in a particular way.<\/p>\n<p>On his blog <em>Thoughts in a Haystack<\/em>,<em> <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/dododreams.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/of-clowns-and-colleges.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Pieret helpfully points out<\/a> that \u201cWell, yes \u2026 science does discriminate against ID \u2026 and phlogiston theory, geocentrism, and planetary crystal spheres.\u201d He also shares an article from an Arizona student that has been getting some attention recently. I\u2019ve been thinking lately that, while Philip Kitcher is in one sense right to define young-earth creationism and intelligent design as \u201cold science\u201d rather than \u201cnon-science\u201d, one needs to add that the attempt to revive an old, overturned and\/or discredited bit of science for ideological reasons, without evidence that justifies doing so, <em>is <\/em>not only <em>non-<\/em>science but <em>anti<\/em>-science.<\/p>\n<p>Those who appreciate irony will enjoy reading about <a href=\"http:\/\/telicthoughts.com\/behe-challenges-miller\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Michael Behe\u2019s criticism of Ken Miller\u2019s <em>theological<\/em> objections to Intelligent Design<\/a>. There are both scientific and theological objections, and Miller has been consistent in making both, and in keeping them distinct. Behe\u2019s objection is ironic because it is the proponents of ID who have argued for science to embrace non-materialist approaches, and who have now had their religious motivations made even more public. If you are going to try to incorporate God into your science, then you should not complain when your work meets religious objections in addition to all the many scientific ones!<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-2152784865671226439?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently the (comically unsuccessful) conspiracy that some proponents of intelligent design had been engaged in, to obscure their connection with particular religious traditions and outlooks, is breaking down. Michael Behe has made the connection explicit (in the process he calls Ken Miller a proponent of intelligent design as well). Bill O\u2019Reilly also made the connection [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4160","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The Cat Is Out Of The Bag - And It Is Wearing An ID!<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Apparently the (comically unsuccessful) conspiracy that some proponents of intelligent design had been engaged in, to obscure their connection with\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/10\/the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag-and-it-is-wearing-an-id.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The Cat Is Out Of The Bag - And It Is Wearing An ID!\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Apparently the (comically unsuccessful) conspiracy that some proponents of intelligent design had been engaged in, to obscure their connection with\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/10\/the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag-and-it-is-wearing-an-id.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. 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