{"id":4198,"date":"2007-10-14T16:03:00","date_gmt":"2007-10-14T16:03:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/10\/ruffled-feathers\/"},"modified":"2007-10-14T16:03:00","modified_gmt":"2007-10-14T16:03:00","slug":"ruffled-feathers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/10\/ruffled-feathers.html","title":{"rendered":"Ruffled Feathers"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I seem to have ruffled some feathers. The blog <a href=\"http:\/\/telicthoughts.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Telic Thoughts<\/a> has posted what is <a href=\"http:\/\/telicthoughts.com\/they-love-to-smear-us\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">not so much a response to what I wrote recently as a complaint<\/a>. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.designinference.com\/documents\/2002.07.Mike_Gene.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mike Gene<\/a> felt that I painted with too broad a brush in <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/which-is-worse-dishonestly-claiming.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my earlier post in which I suggested that proponents of Intelligent Design are dishonest<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think that my statements were completely unjustified \u2013 indeed, some will probably say I didn\u2019t go nearly far enough \u2013 but I will add that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.designinference.com\/documents\/2002.07.Mike_Gene.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">in every movement there are always exceptions<\/a>, and at times it is hard to be completely certain whether one is fringe or mainstream. Certainly when I speak from a Christian viewpoint, I often wonder how many other Christians would actually agree with things that I say.<\/p>\n<p>Today in Sunday school my class talked about the old saying that \u201call that has to happen for evil people to get away with whatever they wish is for good people to say and do nothing\u201d. We were up to that passage in John 12 where it mentions that many leaders believed in Jesus but were afraid to say anything for fear of being thrown out of the synagogue. Moderate Muslims have been criticized for not being as vocal as they could be in opposing extremists in their tradition. My expression of my views on this blog, hopefully most of the time with arguements to support them, is aimed at precisely this: to allow me to express my own views in a way that I do not always feel is appropriate in the classroom, and to articulate a balanced moderate Christian viewpoint. When people look to see what Christians have to say, I do not want them to miss the diversity. It would be ironic if, in seeking to do this very thing, I have painted others with too broad a brush. If so, I certainly regret it.<\/p>\n<p>Be that as it may, I still remain persuaded that the mainstream of Intelligent Design (there may be exceptions) is incompatible with the Christian faith. For instance, Michael Behe in his recent book compared Mount Rushmore to another mountain and said that the difference is that the former is designed but the latter is not. This, it seems to me, shows precisely the problem with the typical ID argument. According to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.usccb.org\/nab\/bible\/psalms\/psalm95.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Psalm 95:4-5<\/a> God is the one whose \u201chand holds the depths of the earth; who owns the tops of the mountains. The sea and dry land belong to God, who made them, formed them by hand.\u201d According to this psalm, the mountains are a divine creation, and not just the parts of biological organisms that seem to some to defy explanation. To put it another way, Intelligent Design doesn\u2019t seem able to do justice to the Bible\u2019s viewpoint that God\u2019s creation looks like Mount Everest rather than like the sculpted Mount Rushmore.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, the standard response might be \u201cit doesn\u2019t matter if its conclusions are incompatible with Christianity, because this is science, and we will pursue it wherever it may lead us\u201d. But the point of <a href=\"http:\/\/exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/which-is-worse-dishonestly-claiming.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my earlier post<\/a> was precisely that many of the voices in the ID movement seem unwilling to do that. If a non-materialistic science is possible, one that can lead to a designer, then asking about what the designer did and why surely must follow. These were the very questions that earlier generations of scientists addressed.<\/p>\n<p>I hope to write more about this once I finish Philip Kitcher\u2019s recent book, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0195314441?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0195314441\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Living with Darwin<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"1\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0195314441\" width=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/em>. One of its most helpful features is that it reminds us that, far from being the result of a conspiracy of materialists, the scientific establishment very reluctantly changed its views on the age of the earth and the evolution of living things. Even though originally wedded to flood geology and unique specific creations, the views of scientists changed for one basic reason: the ever-increasing amounts of evidence that supported one view but were incompatible with the other.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-8651322677766788342?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I seem to have ruffled some feathers. The blog Telic Thoughts has posted what is not so much a response to what I wrote recently as a complaint. 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