{"id":4288,"date":"2007-08-25T13:22:00","date_gmt":"2007-08-25T13:22:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/08\/misquoting-ehrman\/"},"modified":"2007-08-25T13:22:00","modified_gmt":"2007-08-25T13:22:00","slug":"misquoting-ehrman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2007\/08\/misquoting-ehrman.html","title":{"rendered":"Misquoting Ehrman?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I just read <a href=\"http:\/\/www.timothypauljones.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Timothy Paul Jones\u2019<\/a> little book <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830834478?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0830834478\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman\u2019s \u201cMisquoting Jesus\u201d<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"1\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;amp;amp;o=1&amp;a=0830834478\" width=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/em>, which sets about to expose the \u201cfallicies\u201d of not one but two of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theopedia.com\/Bart_Ehrman\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bart Ehrman\u2019s<\/a> recent books, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060859512?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060859512\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Misquoting Jesus <\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"1\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;amp;o=1&amp;a=0060859512\" width=\"1\" border=\"0\"> <\/em>and<em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0195141830?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0195141830\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Lost Christianities<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"1\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0195141830\" width=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/em>. Jones\u2019 book is full of entertaining Star Wars references, making it worth its weight in Republic Credits for that reason alone. But it seems to me that the book\u2019s subtitle is almost as overstated as some of the claims Ehrman himself makes. There is really only one overarching fallacy of Ehrman\u2019s that the book (in my view fairly) takes on and challenges, namely the either-or thinking that <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20070321002530\/http:\/\/www.bib-arch.org\/bswb_BAR\/bswbba3302f3.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">led him from fundamentalism to agnosticism<\/a>. In Ehrman\u2019s view, the facts of text criticism and the study of early Christian diversity lead one to abandon faith. Although I think that at times Jones does insufficient justice to the importance and implications of the historical uncertainties Ehrman highlights, he rightly points out that what Ehrman regards as bad news for Christians is in fact only bad news (and perhaps only news) to fundamentalist, King James only extremists. For well-informed Christians, Ehrman\u2019s books merely provide information that will lead to a better understanding of the Bible and of early Christianity.<\/p>\n<p>In my class on the Bible this week I had the chance to introduce historical study and discuss how it works. It is certainly true that historical study can be disconcerting for religious believers who are not used to applying such an approach to their sacred texts. What is most potentially troubling is the inability of historical study to confirm those things that are most important to conservative religious believers, namely miracles. Jones\u2019 book doesn\u2019t address this, but it is extremely important.<\/p>\n<p>I actually come right out and ask my students what sort of evidence they would require in order to be persuaded that another student who was pregnant had become so by miraculous rather than ordinary means. (I tell them, of course, that I am assuming the other student is a female \u2013 otherwise the evidence for a miracle would be pretty good). One suggested perhaps the degree of previously-established trust would be important, but when pressed did not seem willing to commit to believing even someone they knew well and trusted if such a claim to virginal conception was at issue. The truth is that, as Carl Sagan famously put it, \u201cextraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence\u201d. The issue for religious believers is not really whether or not Jesus really said any number of things in the New Testament \u2013 we have a reasonable degree of certainty about some important things that he said, and a legitimate basis for believing he probably <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> say certain things the Gospels claim. But when it comes to the miracles, only the credulous would find themselves persuaded that such things happened <em>in our time<\/em> on the basis of testimony and evidence offered to them first-hand. How could any historian be expected to conclude that such things are <em>probable<\/em> based on ancient texts?<\/p>\n<p>Let me draw attention to two important articles on scholarship and faith. The first is from Biblical Archaeology Review and is entitled \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20070321002530\/http:\/\/www.bib-arch.org\/bswb_BAR\/bswbba3302f3.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Losing Faith: How Scholarship Affects Scholars<\/a>\u201c. It is about two who did and two who didn\u2019t, and it is telling that the two who did were starting from fundamentalism. The fundamentalist preachers\u2019 claim that you either believe the whole Bible or toss it in the trash is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Those who are made aware of the middle ground are less likely to swing from one extreme to the other.<\/p>\n<p>The second is actually about Bart Erhman\u2019s own viewpoint and experience, and is entitled <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2006\/03\/04\/AR2006030401369.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThe Book of Bart\u201d, <\/a>and appeared in the <em>Washington Post<\/em>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-1926108606357047446?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I just read Timothy Paul Jones\u2019 little book Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman\u2019s \u201cMisquoting Jesus\u201d, which sets about to expose the \u201cfallicies\u201d of not one but two of Bart Ehrman\u2019s recent books, Misquoting Jesus and Lost Christianities. 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