{"id":56986,"date":"2019-03-06T05:26:14","date_gmt":"2019-03-06T10:26:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=56986"},"modified":"2019-03-05T14:05:40","modified_gmt":"2019-03-05T19:05:40","slug":"religionprof-podcast-with-derek-penwell","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2019\/03\/religionprof-podcast-with-derek-penwell.html","title":{"rendered":"ReligionProf Podcast with Derek Penwell"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

<\/iframe><\/p>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2FJ6Gz6\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Derek Penwell\u2019s new book is called Outlandish<\/em><\/a>, and it is published by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chalicepress.com\/Outlandish\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Chalice Press<\/a>. It makes the case that Jesus was \u201ca lousy Messiah\u201d \u2013 and for that reason precisely the Messiah we need.\u00a0Here\u2019s the blurb I wrote for the book:<\/p>\n<blockquote>In Outlandish<\/em>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chalicepress.com\/Author.aspx?AuthorID=1369\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Derek Penwell<\/a> shows what it can look like when a model of Christian activism is built upon the foundation of the latest biblical scholarship. Unconventional questions are explored in a thoroughly engaging way. Penwell doesn\u2019t merely ask whether Jesus was sarcastic, he does so with a view to how sarcasm might serve as part of the arsenal of Jesus\u2019 followers today as they stand against unjust powers that be. Penwell explains why Jesus was a lousy Messiah, but also precisely the sort the world needs, now as much as then, and how Jesus\u2019 subversive character should find expression in communities that offer a courageous alternative to the religious, moral, political, and economic status quo.<\/p><\/blockquote>\nIt was a delight to have <a href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/religionprof\/episodes\/Episode-28-with-Derek-Penwell-e317gp\/a-a9bbrh\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Derek talk with me on the podcast<\/a>. I was particularly delighted by his choice of headphones, and asked for permission to share a photo of what I saw on Zoom before we switched over to audio-only for the purpose of recording. Here it is. Please do let me know whether it makes you more or less likely to read the book (or to <a href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/religionprof\/episodes\/Episode-28-with-Derek-Penwell-e317gp\/a-a9bbrh\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">listen to the podcast<\/a> if you have not already done so):<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-57109\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/719\/2019\/03\/Derek-Penwell.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"576\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\nOf related interest, there\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.express.co.uk\/entertainment\/books\/1074311\/Bible-news-Jesus-Christ-funny-religious-offensive-humour-James-Cary-Sacred-Art-of-Joking?fbclid=IwAR2RV8e-BTEAfrM_xf7PO3ya-yFCG59UBp86dFdyC8u9HIj56B18d2z7ofY\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a book coming out on whether Jesus was funny<\/a> that relates to Derek\u2019s treatment of Jesus\u2019 use of sarcasm.\u00a0Let me also quote <a href=\"https:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/derek-penwell\/liberal-christians_b_3526681.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">one of Derek\u2019s most popular articles<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>Liberal Christians love the Bible. No, seriously. We love the Bible. We just refuse to treat it as though it is a set of timeless golden tablets that says all that needs to be said once and for all about everything of importance. (It doesn\u2019t say anything, for instance, about why the Chicago Cubs haven\u2019t won a World Series in over 100 years.)<\/p>\nWe liberals refuse to treat the Bible as a casuistical rule book for every conceivable eventuality, or as a precise blue print for every possible organizational contingency.<\/p>\nLiberal Christians aren\u2019t liberal in spite of the Bible, but because of it. They don\u2019t pursue justice for LGBT people because they haven\u2019t read Scripture, but precisely because they have. And in the arc of the narrative of God\u2019s interaction with humanity, liberal Christians find a radical expansiveness, an urgent desire to broaden the embrace of God\u2019s hospitality to include those whom the religious big shots are always kicking to the sidelines.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Outlandish-Unlikely-Messiah-Ministry-Mobilize\/dp\/0827231660\/ref=as_li_ss_il?ie=UTF8&linkCode=li3&tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&linkId=a62d3331f2e0e9f1547a3f11b9471ca2&language=en_US\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&ASIN=0827231660&Format=_SL250_&ID=AsinImage&MarketPlace=US&ServiceVersion=20070822&WS=1&tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&language=en_US\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&language=en_US&l=li3&o=1&a=0827231660\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Derek Penwell\u2019s new book is called Outlandish, and it is published by Chalice Press. It makes the case that Jesus was \u201ca lousy Messiah\u201d \u2013 and for that reason precisely the Messiah we need.\u00a0Here\u2019s the blurb I wrote for the book: In Outlandish, Derek Penwell shows what it can look like when a model of […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":136,"featured_media":57109,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15465],"tags":[2619,5677,7306,9268],"class_list":["post-56986","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","tag-derek-penwell","tag-jesus","tag-messiah","tag-podcast"],"yoast_head":"\n<title>ReligionProf Podcast with Derek Penwell<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Derek Penwell's new book is called Outlandish, and it is published by Chalice Press. 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