{"id":8210,"date":"2012-06-28T00:11:28","date_gmt":"2012-06-28T04:11:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=8210"},"modified":"2012-06-28T00:11:28","modified_gmt":"2012-06-28T04:11:28","slug":"jesus-john-paul-george-and-ringo-mythicism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2012\/06\/jesus-john-paul-george-and-ringo-mythicism.html","title":{"rendered":"Jesus, John, Paul, George, and Ringo Mythicism"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2012\/06\/quote-of-the-day-r-joseph-hoffmann.html#comment-569630922\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Commenter Admiral Mattbar shared a link<\/a> to <a href=\"http:\/\/thebeatlesneverexisted.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a site, \u201cThe Beatles Never Existed.\u201d<\/a> I got a glimpse of it, but the next time I tried to reload it, it was as though it was not there. I began to wonder if <a href=\"http:\/\/wayback.archive.org\/web\/*\/http:\/\/thebeatlesneverexisted.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">perhaps I should become a \u201cThe Beatles Never Existed\u201d web site mythicist<\/a>\u2026\u00a0But then there it was again.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-8213\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2012\/06\/jesus-john-paul-george-and-ringo-mythicism.html\/beats-banner-1a\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-8213\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/exploringourmatrix\/files\/2012\/06\/beats-banner-1a.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"625\" height=\"219\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The argument on the web site seems as though it could have been inspired by \u2013 or an intentional parody of \u2013 the line of argument used by some mythicists. It is not as though there was <em>no one<\/em> at the core of the mythos. It is just that there were many people who played the roles, or parts of them, and thus contributed to a legend about four figures, or one, when in fact there were more than that.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/lorenrosson.blogspot.com\/2012\/06\/precedent-for-dying-messiah.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Loren Rosson chimed in to declare Thom Stark the winner in his recent debates with Richard Carrier. He also offers a helpful assessment of the nature and usefulness of the criterion of embarrassment<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/tomverenna.wordpress.com\/2012\/06\/27\/if-you-buy-into-images-like-this\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tom Verenna shared the following image<\/a>, commenting that it is 80% wrong, adding:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This image represents precisely the sort of misinformation and false arguments commonly made within the mythicist community.\u00a0 This is why serious scholars don\u2019t take you seriously.\u00a0 This is why you are like creationists\u2013because you continue to fabricate data to support your flawed conclusions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/tomverenna.files.wordpress.com\/2012\/06\/550697_450475141629924_1231539004_n.jpg?w=146&amp;h=331\" alt=\"\" width=\"146\" height=\"328\"><\/p>\n<p>If you don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with it, feel free to ask \u2013 or better yet, sharpen your critical thinking skills by fact-checking its claims. Which of them are supported by the relevant primary sources? Which are found widely online but, no matter how hard you try, the web pages in question never seem to lead you to primary sources?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com\/2012\/06\/27\/the-humphreys-intervention\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">R. Joseph Hoffmann offers a wonderfully satirical commentary on the activity of mythicist apologist Kenneth Humphries<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And finally, <a href=\"http:\/\/confessionsofadoubtingthomas.blogspot.com\/2012\/06\/both-sides-now.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ricky Carvel wrestles with the fact that, even for those who accept that a historical figure of Jesus is more likely, separating history from myth with certainty is impossible much of the time<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Commenter Admiral Mattbar shared a link to a site, \u201cThe Beatles Never Existed.\u201d I got a glimpse of it, but the next time I tried to reload it, it was as though it was not there. 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