{"id":84146,"date":"2020-12-05T06:57:32","date_gmt":"2020-12-05T11:57:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=84146"},"modified":"2020-12-05T07:27:32","modified_gmt":"2020-12-05T12:27:32","slug":"is-johns-christology-the-lowest-in-the-new-testament","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2020\/12\/is-johns-christology-the-lowest-in-the-new-testament.html","title":{"rendered":"Is John&#8217;s Christology the Lowest in the New Testament?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I am serious about what I suggest in the title of this blog post, even though trying to grab readers\u2019 attention is definitely a motive for putting it this way. There are things to be said by way of clarification that couldn\u2019t go in the title. For one thing, I find the terminology of \u201chigh Christology\u201d and \u201clow Christology\u201d problematic. For another, I think the extent of development in the New Testament period is seriously overestimated. That is not, however, because I think the earliest Christology already presents a Jesus who is \u201cfully God\u201d as \u201cthe second person of the Trinity.\u201d Rather, it is because I think that even the later works in the New Testament view Jesus as a human being who, on the one hand, embodies the presence and Spirit of the one God, and on the other hand, has been given authority and an exalted status by the one God. There are, to be sure, differences of nuance and expression. But there is also more consistency, I think, than is sometimes recognized.<\/p>\n<p>So what do I mean by saying that John\u2019s is the \u201clowest\u201d Christology, especially when I find this terminology unhelpful? Where many earlier sources simply presuppose that Jesus is God\u2019s authorized agent and emissary who is by definition subordinate and obedient to the one God, the Gospel of John emphasizes this. \u201cThe Son can do nothing of\/by himself\u201d (<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/john\/5-19.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">5:19<\/a>). The Father is \u201cthe only true God\u201d (<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/john\/17-3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">17:3<\/a>). Jesus is \u201ca man who has told you the truth that I heard from God\u201d (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/wp-admin\/post.php?post=84146&amp;action=edit\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">8:40<\/a>). If Jesus bears the name of God, it is the name that God gave him, just as Paul also asserts in Philippians 2:6-11. Whether John has moved the bestowal earlier depends on whether the giving of the name \u201cbefore the foundation of the world\u201d means he had it as a possession as an already-existing person or pre-existent soul, or was destined to bear it and so it was in that sense already given to him. Either way, the one is not a \u201chigher\u201d Christology than the other. Both view the name as given by the one God.<\/p>\n<p>Whether Paul envisaged Jesus as pre-existing as an individual, or viewed the human Jesus as the embodiment of the Wisdom of the one God, is not a debate that we need to revisit here.<\/p>\n<p>A question I keep coming back to is how the descent of the Son of Man in the Gospel of John relates to the descent of the Spirit and\/or the Logos. One option is to treat them as one and the same: the spirit that descends on Jesus is the Son of Man, the heavenly Doppelganger of the earthly Messiah, so that the two become one. As one sees in the New Testament as well as other early Jewish texts, there is a blurriness in the realm of spiritual beings, as God, personified attributes, the Angel of the Lord, and other terminology appear. In Revelation and in 1 Timothy 5:21 we find belief in God, Christ, and elect angels\/the seven spirits of God, the latter denoting the seven principal angels (sometimes called archangels). Each human being was thought to have an angel that corresponded to them. That there was an angel of each nation as well made it natural to associate that angelic prince with the ruler of the nation. When YHWH and El came to be identified, having the king be identified with a supreme spirit in the celestial realm blurred into identification with the supreme God. In this view, Christians then share in that same spirit, share with Jesus a celestial Doppelganger who can both indwell them and serve as advocate in the spiritual realm. To be \u201cin Christ\u201d as Paul puts it makes a different kind of sense when some of these ancient ideas are brought into the picture.<\/p>\n<p>Another option is to treat the descent as simultaneous but nevertheless have there be two that are referred to, the Son of Man being the (soul or angelic counterpart of the) Messiah who is nonetheless full of God\u2019s Wisdom\/Word\/Spirit already prior to the appearance of the human Messiah on earth.<\/p>\n<p>All of the New Testament works view Jesus as a human being who embodies the divine presence and action, God\u2019s Spirit, and who is exalted to a status second only to the one God. John makes some of these elements more explicit and elaborates them in new ways in response to objections that had come up in the intervening years. Nonetheless, his portrait is not a \u201chigher Christology\u201d than the others, just one that is (if you will excuse the puns), at the same time <em>more\u00a0fleshed out<\/em> and\u00a0<em>more spirited<\/em> in its articulation. If it is \u201chigher\u201d then it is also \u201clower\u201d because John emphasized the superiority of the Father and the submission of the Son more than others do. But as I said from the beginning, the categorization of these works as \u201chigh\u201d and \u201clow\u201d is problematic.<\/p>\n<p>As you can presumably tell, even after a doctorate, a second book, and decades of research spent reflecting on and exploring these matters, I still have questions. I am fine with that\u2013I\u2019d much rather keep puzzles unsolved and work away at them in the longer term, than declare them done while many of the pieces are still missing or are forced together.<\/p>\n<p>The above is all a longer response to a question that was asked on Twitter than could be offered in tweets. The question was which work in the New Testament has the highest Christology, and that tweet suggested Revelation as the highest, and I responded by sharing <a href=\"https:\/\/digitalcommons.butler.edu\/facsch_papers\/76\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the chapter on the Christology of the Book of Revelation<\/a> from my book\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/36jaALT\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The Only True God<\/em><\/a>.\u00a0I also shared the following as relevant:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"B2FoG4fvNB\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/03\/are-the-christologies-of-paul-and-mark-different.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Are the Christologies of Paul and Mark Different?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cAre the Christologies of Paul and Mark Different?\u201d \u2014 Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/03\/are-the-christologies-of-paul-and-mark-different.html\/embed#?secret=Yujq6hojSl#?secret=B2FoG4fvNB\" data-secret=\"B2FoG4fvNB\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"JdzHW3bUg3\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/11\/thoughts-on-bart-ehrmans-how-jesus-became-god-sblaar14.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Thoughts on Bart Ehrman\u2019s How Jesus Became God #SBLAAR14<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cThoughts on Bart Ehrman\u2019s How Jesus Became God #SBLAAR14\u201d \u2014 Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/11\/thoughts-on-bart-ehrmans-how-jesus-became-god-sblaar14.html\/embed#?secret=tcm5KkT22I#?secret=JdzHW3bUg3\" data-secret=\"JdzHW3bUg3\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>See also:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/progressivechristianity.org\/resources\/the-divine-and-the-divisive-in-john\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Divine and the Divisive in John<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/weekendfisher.blogspot.com\/2020\/11\/the-question-of-christs-relation-to-god.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Question of Christ\u2019s Relation to God<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"moRTO76GOI\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/scribesofthekingdom.com\/2020\/11\/22\/the-man-who-would-not-be-god-jesus-as-deified-king\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The man who would not be god: Jesus as deified\u00a0king<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cThe man who would not be god: Jesus as deified\u00a0king\u201d \u2014 Scribes of the Kingdom\" src=\"https:\/\/scribesofthekingdom.com\/2020\/11\/22\/the-man-who-would-not-be-god-jesus-as-deified-king\/embed\/#?secret=nZQxJ9PFj5#?secret=moRTO76GOI\" data-secret=\"moRTO76GOI\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Ben Witherington\u2019s mult-part series:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"G1DLE13xKO\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2020\/11\/30\/an-unconventional-god-part-twenty\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">An Unconventional God\u2013 Part Twenty<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cAn Unconventional God\u2013 Part Twenty\u201d \u2014 The Bible and Culture\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2020\/11\/30\/an-unconventional-god-part-twenty\/embed\/#?secret=enwAEiD21l#?secret=G1DLE13xKO\" data-secret=\"G1DLE13xKO\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/revised-version-of-trinity-in-the-stanford-encyclopedia-of-philosophy\/<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"SdWd5OVwjA\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewedchristianty.com\/2020\/11\/18\/different-gods-different-religions\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Different Gods, Different Religions?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cDifferent Gods, Different Religions?\u201d \u2014 Tripp Fuller\" src=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewedchristianty.com\/2020\/11\/18\/different-gods-different-religions\/embed\/#?secret=qlxaPBKhiv#?secret=SdWd5OVwjA\" data-secret=\"SdWd5OVwjA\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.episcopalcafe.com\/fragments-on-fragments-18-being-human-in-a-pandemic\/?utm_source=feedly&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=fragments-on-fragments-18-being-human-in-a-pandemic\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Heraclitus\u2019 Logos and our time<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"qG1UCXQNDI\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/scribesofthekingdom.com\/2020\/12\/01\/did-early-christians-interpret-old-testament-violence-through-jesus\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Did early Christians interpret Old Testament violence \u201cthrough\u00a0Jesus\u201d?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cDid early Christians interpret Old Testament violence \u201cthrough\u00a0Jesus\u201d?\u201d \u2014 Scribes of the Kingdom\" src=\"https:\/\/scribesofthekingdom.com\/2020\/12\/01\/did-early-christians-interpret-old-testament-violence-through-jesus\/embed\/#?secret=YQkLTRLaCk#?secret=qG1UCXQNDI\" data-secret=\"qG1UCXQNDI\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I am serious about what I suggest in the title of this blog post, even though trying to grab readers\u2019 attention is definitely a motive for putting it this way. 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