{"id":877,"date":"2010-10-13T08:52:00","date_gmt":"2010-10-13T08:52:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/10\/mythicism-history-and-rhetoric\/"},"modified":"2016-07-21T18:46:10","modified_gmt":"2016-07-21T22:46:10","slug":"mythicism-history-and-rhetoric","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2010\/10\/mythicism-history-and-rhetoric.html","title":{"rendered":"Mythicism, History and Rhetoric"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Neil Godfrey is right, when he <a href=\"http:\/\/vridar.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/13\/what-is-the-differene-between-a-religious-bigot-and-a-hostile-anti-mythicist\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">suggests<\/a> that I have allowed myself to stoop to engaging in heated rhetoric. There is a fine line between satire and ridicule, and I have no doubt that I have crossed it, and for this I apologize. As for whether he and his regular commenters will see that they too have engaged in \u201cpublic ridicule and scorn\u201d remains to be seen. But it is irrelevant to the fact that I want <em>my<\/em> approach to be different.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, he is <a href=\"http:\/\/vridar.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/12\/whats-the-difference-between-a-racist-and-an-anti-creationist\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">exaggerating when he writes<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>These public intellectuals also incite public disrespect, even saying that certain people don\u2019t deserve to be listened to because of their different views about an intellectual topic of which they regard themselves the public guardians. This is not how evolutionary scientists defend science against creationists.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I know many evolutionary biologists who think that creationists\u2019 <em>ideas<\/em>\u00a0don\u2019t <em>deserve<\/em> any attention at all, and pay attention to them only because they are misleading people. I don\u2019t know any scientists worthy of the name who, even if they try to address creationists <i>as people<\/i> with respect, encourage <i>respect for their ideas<\/i>, since those ideas are touted as being scientific when they are not, and many scientists would say that taking the media\u2019s approach of trying to be \u201cfair and balanced\u201d by always presenting an opposing viewpoint can itself be misleading, since it suggests to an unwary public that the two positions are equal in terms of things like evidence, scholarly consensus, and so on. The same can be said about mythicism in relation to history.<\/p>\n<p>Neil also <a href=\"http:\/\/vridar.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/13\/history-for-dummies-and-biblical-scholars\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">offers to explain to me what a colleague meant when he said \u201chistory is an art.\u201d<\/a> Interestingly, it sounds a lot like the way I myself have described historical study in the past. Once one has identified authentic material using the tools and criteria of historical study, there are still countless ways that one could turn those nuggets of information into a narrative, a historical reconstruction.<\/p>\n<p>At any rate, I hope to keep the focus in the future (inasmuch as time allows me to spend time discussing fringe views that thus far have not proven themselves capable of passing peer review) on matters of evidence, lest this simply seem to be a mere disagreement, with mythicists being perceived as persecuted freethinkers rather than people with unpersuasive arguments.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM?version=3\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM?version=3<\/a><br>\nHT <a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/id-like-to-have-an-argument-please\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Science and the Sacred<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"blogger-post-footer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogger.googleusercontent.com\/tracker\/7622297540113836091-831013971845462550?l=exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Neil Godfrey is right, when he suggests that I have allowed myself to stoop to engaging in heated rhetoric. 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