{"id":88328,"date":"2021-04-01T05:03:07","date_gmt":"2021-04-01T09:03:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=88328"},"modified":"2021-04-01T05:10:16","modified_gmt":"2021-04-01T09:10:16","slug":"what-god-learned-from-women","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2021\/04\/what-god-learned-from-women.html","title":{"rendered":"What God Learned from Women?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Let me start by highlighting that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wfyi.org\/programs\/all-in\/radio\/museum-exhibit-on-indianas-opioid-crisis?fbclid=IwAR1aXaBqZPdEC4fVG-aN-uFTKSiJr3UmCMoQQJk5C2boErCpDhqyZUpK-cI\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my WFYI radio appearance yesterday is now available on their website for you to listen to<\/a>. I am in the second half of the show.<\/p>\n<p>Next, and directly related, <a href=\"https:\/\/andyjcassler.wordpress.com\/2021\/03\/28\/why-what-jesus-learned-from-women-needed-clarification\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Andy Cassler has voiced some objections<\/a> to <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2OePEzA\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my book<\/a> or at the very least expressed dissatisfaction coupled with curiosity because I do not address the divinity of Christ in my book. I would point out that the matter of concern is not something that we see in the Synoptic Gospels or in the preaching of Paul as indicated in his letters or Acts. The earliest church does not go around, according to our sources, saying \u201caccept that the divine is encountered in and through the human life of Jesus in this specific way.\u201d On the contrary, they focus on calling people to have that encounter. I remember the way John Macquarrie, in his book\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3sExqqc\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Jesus Christ in Modern Thought<\/em>, burst my bubble as an undergraduate hoping to figure out these mysteries.<\/a>\u00a0Macquarrie surveys the kinds of language and formulas, the anhypostasis and enhypostasis, the terminology and hair-splitting that the church engaged in and developed for centuries, and then asked a simple yet profound question. How could any mortal hope to know such things? To ponder them and even speculate about them is understandable. To believe that some particular formulation is required seems to advance that theological exposition as though it were itself divinely revealed truth.<\/p>\n<p>As I wrote in a comment on Andy\u2019s blog, I\u2019m the sort of person whose instinctive inclination is to say, humbly, that my testimony as a Christian is that I have encountered God in and through Christ, and that I have not had revealed to me metaphysical secrets that explain what was at work behind the scenes of that. I understand why the church in the past felt the need to engage in debates and discussions of the hypostatic union in very detailed and technical terms. My avoidance of the issue is primarily due to my (1) not having anything much to add after having discussed aspects of Christology in several other books and articles, (2) not feeling that I could say much with certainty, (3) not feeling that it is appropriate to start with ideas of Jesus\u2019 divinity as though we have those somehow independently of the first Christians\u2019 encounter with Jesus and experience of the divine in and through his human life, and (4) knowing that saying anything even slightly wrong on this topic (from a reader\u2019s perspective) might cause them to dismiss or think differently about the matters the book actually focuses on. I knew that not addressing these things leaves questions unanswered, but with this having turned out to be my longest single-author book, I felt like I was saying enough that was risky and controversial and required extensive argument that adding anything further wouldn\u2019t help my case!<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, I think that those who respond to my book by saying either \u201cyes, but\u201d or \u201chow dare you suggest that the divine Son of God learned from anyone?!\u201d are failing both to adequately affirm the humanity of Jesus as full, complete, and real, and to accept what the Gospel of Luke says about him learning. To say as one Amazon reviewer did that Jesus learned from Mary but quickly surpassed her does not in fact address the issue or defend historic doctrine, either with respect to the divinity of Christ or with respect to his humanity. God as normally defined wouldn\u2019t need to learn from Mary at all. Making the adult Jesus outpace all other human beings doesn\u2019t make him omniscient all along. Either accept his genuine humanity throughout his life or deny it. But don\u2019t pretend that having him no longer have anything to learn in adulthood makes you an adherent of classic orthodox creedal orthodoxy. It is debatable whether anyone has ever come up with a formulation of Christology that satisfies perfectly and equally all the constraints imposed by the Creed of Chalcedon. Trying to do so was not my point in this book, and if I had spent my time trying to do so, I would undoubtedly have failed, and the things I did try to do would be waiting a second sequel volume because my attempt to do that was too long already. I set such matters aside, explicitly and deliberately.<\/p>\n<p>If you are simply interested in Jesus as a historical figure, I write in a way that focuses on that. If you affirm Jesus as the center of your faith, as long as you do not deny his humanity (not just in theory but in practice) then my book should address at least part of what you affirm about him. If you find it unbearable that I discuss the human Jesus as one who learned and don\u2019t help you reconcile that to your assumptions about Jesus, I would invite you to seize the opportunity to ask and reflect on why that is, as well as whether your assumptions are compatible with the unambiguous biblical statement, \u201cJesus grew in wisdom\u2026\u201d If not, I am happy to talk with you about what you should do about that.<\/p>\n<p>Also related to this topic,\u00a0this sermon by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.josaxton.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jo Saxon<\/a> focuses on Mary of Bethany:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Powerful: Step Outside the Box (March 3, 2021)\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/47AUhqOFGYo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>In my book I point out that Jesus\u2019 response to Martha is to affirm what Mary has chosen to do, not to accuse her of neglecting what he had taught women to do. I thus see the story of Mary and Martha as about how these women influenced Jesus and not just the reverse.<\/p>\n<p>See too <a href=\"https:\/\/hebraicthought.org\/gender-study-real-lives-women-men-bible\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the Center for Hebraic Thought\u2019s collection of articles on gender in the Bible and its world<\/a>. And just because Women\u2019s History Month has ended does not make <a href=\"https:\/\/hackingchristianity.net\/2021\/03\/5-things-for-christians-to-read-for-womens-history-month.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">this round-up of articles about women in Christianity<\/a> any less interesting or timely. Finally, these thoughts on Jesus and humor end on a relevant note:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"yATVQjmRQX\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/freelancechristianity\/an-april-fools-day-question-about-jesus-did-he-ever-laugh\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">An April Fools Day Question About Jesus: Did He Ever Laugh?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cAn April Fools Day Question About Jesus: Did He Ever Laugh?\u201d \u2014 Freelance Christianity\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/freelancechristianity\/an-april-fools-day-question-about-jesus-did-he-ever-laugh\/embed\/#?secret=l5sbHqJPPI#?secret=yATVQjmRQX\" data-secret=\"yATVQjmRQX\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Let me start by highlighting that my WFYI radio appearance yesterday is now available on their website for you to listen to. 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