{"id":94708,"date":"2023-02-20T05:48:23","date_gmt":"2023-02-20T10:48:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/?p=94708"},"modified":"2023-02-10T05:59:29","modified_gmt":"2023-02-10T10:59:29","slug":"theres-always-a-bigger-out-group","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2023\/02\/theres-always-a-bigger-out-group.html","title":{"rendered":"There&#8217;s Always a Bigger Out-Group"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>As I listened to <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3qX1wpC\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brian McLaren\u2019s wonderful book\u00a0<em>Do I Stay Christian?<\/em><\/a> a while back I had lots of thoughts. The book has prompted me to think and reflect not only about the book\u2019s content itself but also related (and at times tangential) matters. One major theme in the book, even if not flagged as such, is shifting from being part of a conservative Christian minority in the context of a liberal secular society, to being a liberal inclusive minority in the context of conservative Christian society.<\/p>\n<p>This got me thinking about the way conservative Evangelical Christians seek to harness the rhetoric of going against the flow, the majority often being wrong, and so on, while at the same time claiming to be defenders of traditional values of society as a whole, and trying to see their values embodied and expressed in legislation in the country in which they live.<\/p>\n<p>If you think about it, pretty much any group can claim something based on alleged normativity in society or history, and the same group can claim to be doing something subversive, maintaining a truth not all accept in an environment that is hostile.<\/p>\n<p>If we ask which is more similar to the case of Jesus, he was critical of his own people in a context in which they were in turn part of a larger entity, the Roman Empire. He was not, however, pro-Roman for that reason. If anything, he recognized that many of his own people, much like today\u2019s conservative Evangelicals, thought themselves righteous merely for being opposed to the larger pagan society. He called them to a deeper, more radical way of living in love and seeking justice.<\/p>\n<p>Now, to be clear, I\u2019m not convinced that it is a good guide to being on the right track to aim to have just the right proportions of people or constituencies disagree with you. But there is certainly a clear danger in going too far in one extreme or another. Being in the minority among extremists for being more extreme than they are is a danger sign, as too is thinking everything is fine with the way things are done in one\u2019s society. As an academic, if I never disagree with anyone then I\u2019m not doing research that produces innovative possibilities worth exploring. If I disagree with everyone then I\u2019m almost certainly wrong about most of my views and have become a fringe denialist.<\/p>\n<p>If you call yourself a progressive Christian and what that means is that you support the direction the Democratic Party in the United States is going in all respects, you\u2019re probably just a Democrat. You may actually be okay with that, but if your Christian identity doesn\u2019t lead you to at least reject the way some people all across the spectrum, but including in your own preferred party, seek to achieve their goals, then there is likely as little substance beneath your label \u201cChristian\u201d as there is beneath that of your counterparts among the Republicans.<\/p>\n<p>This itself is something that should be characteristically Christian, but that by no means makes it exclusively Christian. McLaren\u2019s emphasis on being a particular kind of human being, however one answers the question in the book\u2019s title, reminded me of something I wrote just over ten years ago, and so let me conclude with that.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"xq6LwlrOsD\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2012\/08\/human-first.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Human First<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cHuman First\u201d \u2014 Religion Prof: The Blog of James F. McGrath\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2012\/08\/human-first.html\/embed#?secret=a8emu6wIgN#?secret=xq6LwlrOsD\" data-secret=\"xq6LwlrOsD\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/religionprof\/2014\/01\/human-first-2.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">made a quote from it into a meme<\/a> a couple of years later.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-94726\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/719\/2022\/09\/Human-First-2-1024x681-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"614\" height=\"409\"><\/p>\n<p>Brian appeared on Tripp Fuller\u2019s podcast:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"NfdskiptaR\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewedchristianty.com\/2022\/10\/27\/brian-mclaren-should-i-stay-christian-if-i-dont-believe\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brian McLaren: Should I Stay Christian if I don\u2019t Believe?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cBrian McLaren: Should I Stay Christian if I don\u2019t Believe?\u201d \u2014 Tripp Fuller\" src=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewedchristianty.com\/2022\/10\/27\/brian-mclaren-should-i-stay-christian-if-i-dont-believe\/embed\/#?secret=7aVZbh7VmA#?secret=NfdskiptaR\" data-secret=\"NfdskiptaR\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>See too <a href=\"https:\/\/dianabutlerbass.substack.com\/p\/the-future-of-faith\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Diana Butler Bass\u2019 recent post<\/a> on what is happening. She writes,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2018Pew\u2019s conclusion? By 2070, Christianity in the United States (the whole thing \u2014 all forms of Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy, all racial and ethnic Christian communities in a single category) will be a minority faith in a nation with a majority of \u201cnones.\u201d\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Do-Stay-Christian-Disappointed-Disillusioned\/dp\/1250262798?keywords=9781250262806&amp;qid=1663777048&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-3&amp;linkCode=li3&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;linkId=1eca468af5b50bd962f866800bbc5d6d&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_il\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=1250262798&amp;Format=_SL250_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;language=en_US\" border=\"0\"><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jamefmcgrshom-20&amp;language=en_US&amp;l=li3&amp;o=1&amp;a=1250262798\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As I listened to Brian McLaren\u2019s wonderful book\u00a0Do I Stay Christian? a while back I had lots of thoughts. 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