{"id":1208,"date":"2013-09-13T08:37:00","date_gmt":"2013-09-13T08:37:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2013\/09\/when-god-says-no-part-1.html"},"modified":"2013-09-13T08:37:00","modified_gmt":"2013-09-13T08:37:00","slug":"when-god-says-no-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2013\/09\/when-god-says-no-part-1.html","title":{"rendered":"When God Says No: Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2013\/08\/welcome-to-r3-paula-penn-nabrit.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Paula Penn-Nabrit<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">R3 Contributor<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">I\u2019ve been thinking about R3 Editor<a href=\"http:\/\/andreejohnsonphd.blogspot.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> Andre E. Johnson\u2019s<\/a> recent question posed in a <a href=\"https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/urbanoasis2002\/sermons\/staying%20committing%20to%20your%20faith_2013_08_18_01.mp3?revision=1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">sermon<\/a>; \u201cCan our faith handle God saying \u2018No\u2019?\u201d And I\u2019ve been thinking about it within the intersecting space of rhetoric, race and religion-and not just because that\u2019s the name of the blog. Before I was a collegiate student of Philosophy, I was female, black and <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Pentecostal<\/a> and I\u2019ve found the world, especially the academic and hip-hop parts of the world, rarely examined through that particularly segmented lens. Sure, there are folks writing about neo-Pentecostalism, but rarely are they Pentecostal, neo or otherwise. But like many predominantly black and brown spaces, no alarms are sounded when perimeters of experience are breached. For an illuminating contrast, one can only imagine the outrage if cisgendered academics defined the terms of the sexual binary as it relates to transgendered folks or those outside of and unsympathetic to the LGBT community dominated the academic and popular discourse about that community.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">So I\u2019m wading gingerly into these deep waters of faith in the face of \u201cNo\u201d, holding up all the layers of my various slips, petticoats and big girl panties. I\u2019m a 4<sup>th<\/sup> generation Apostolic, Pentecostal \u201cJesus only\u201d kind of Christian and my family worships in the same congregation my maternal great-grandparents joined 100 years ago.\u00a0 I\u2019m a black, milk or dark chocolate skinned (depending on how much time I\u2019ve been in my garden), short, full-bodied woman with thick (except on top), tight natural hair. My parents married before I was conceived, stayed married for 63 years (and counting!) achieved hard-fought, middle-class status and raised four kids. My sisters and I all went to prep school and Wellesley, and our brother went to Carnegie-Mellon. Recently widowed, my amazing husband, Charles Nabrit, \u201cCMadison\u201d, a brilliant brother from an accomplished family and a Dartmouth alum, put me through law school and helped me start a business, <a href=\"http:\/\/nabrit.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">PN&amp;A;, Inc<\/a>.\u00a0that\u2019s still viable 27 years later and well into it\u2019s 2<sup>nd<\/sup> generation. We homeschooled our sons until twins Charles and Damon went to Princeton and Evan went to Amherst-and I teach Sunday School and write books. <\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">Bona fides aside, the question of how (or if) faith can be sustained in the face of God\u2019s \u201cNo\u201d fits squarely in the intersection of rhetoric, race and religion. It\u2019s a question that can ferry us between the dismissive and the persuasive. In Acts 26:24-28 When Festus dismisses Paul, <i>thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad<\/i>, King Agrippa counters with <i>Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian<\/i>. This is an interesting juxtaposition for someone raised in the black Apostolic, Pentecostal, Azusa Street derived tradition and educated like Moses \u201cin Pharaoh\u2019s daughter\u2019s palaces.\u201d\u00a0 The beauty of Holiness and the simplicity of the Oneness doctrine tradition, complete with speaking in other tongues, foot washing, weekly fasting and \u201cSolemn Assembly\u201d (Joel 1:14, yeah, it\u2019s pretty obscure) often results in a dismissive response from outside the community.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">The so-called sanctified church often is described as cultish, country, ignorant, backward and loud. While many black folks native to America have some familial connection to the sanctified church, few remain in the tradition if they have achieved significant academic, professional or financial success, because it\u2019s quirky, the services are very long, and if you bring a visitor, especially a white\/Caucasian visitor, then you gotta translate and well, \u201cAin\u2019t nobody got time for \u2018dat!\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">But one of the great and persuasive things about the tradition is the building of faith through the reading and studying of the Word.\u00a0 Long before Def Jam was a concept, I knew the power of the Word, John 1:1, <i>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;<\/i> the spoken Word and sent Word, Matthew 8:8 <i>The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed<\/i>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">I grew up on Mark 11:24, <i>Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them<\/i>. Long before law school I knew about conditional, \u201cif\/then\u201d contracts because of Matthew 18:19, <i>\u2026if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done\u2026<\/i> When I went off to prep school and Wellesley I already knew the answer to the question posed in Genesis 18:14, <i>Is anything too hard or too wonderful [a]for the Lord?<\/i> and the answer supplied later in Jeremiah 32:17 <i>Alas, Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by Your outstretched arm! There is nothing too hard or too wonderful for You<\/i>. All of that is pretty persuasive.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">But knowing that He <i>can<\/i>complicates the question of faith when He <i>doesn\u2019t<\/i>which brings me back to Andre\u2019s question. \u201cCan our faith handle God saying \u2018No\u2019? And for me the question isn\u2019t rhetorical (no pun intended;) because my much beloved husband of 36 years, 8 months and 24 days died in May. But to answer the question I have to move past using scripture as mindless quips and empty bromides. Somebody screaming out Isaiah 53:5 <i>by His stripes we are healed! <\/i>doesn\u2019t help with the hard work of sustained faith when physical healing doesn\u2019t occur. And while I know the promises of Romans 5:5, \u2026<i>hope maketh not ashamed<\/i> and Romans 8:28 <i>\u2026all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose,<\/i> I don\u2019t see any good (yet) and even if I\u2019m not actually ashamed, CMadison\u2019s death is more than a tad awkward given how openly I blogged about his health, my prayers and his presumed healing.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">But at this point on September 11th, 114 days since CMadison\u2019s death (yeah, I\u2019m still counting the days\u2026) the waters of grief are really too deep for wading, even with my skirts and slips hiked all the way up. This is the point where I have to be able to walk on top of the waters of grief or drown in them-and that requires enough faith and trust to not look down. If my Christian practice is to move toward perfection, if continuous process improvement is a goal and not just a slogan, then I have to move beyond the dark glare of the incomprehensible. In the wake of CMadison\u2019s death, which is incomprehensible to me having followed the New Testament instructions in James 5:14-15,\u00a0<\/span>\n<\/p><div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><i>Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up.<\/i>\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">I am learning to deal with the challenge of faith when God says \u201cNo.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><i>To be continued\u2026\u2026<\/i><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">Friend Paula on Facebook <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/paula.pennnabrit?fref=ts\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here\u00a0<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Paula Penn-Nabrit R3 Contributor I\u2019ve been thinking about R3 Editor Andre E. 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