{"id":504,"date":"2014-08-04T07:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-08-04T07:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2014\/08\/bishop-henry-mcneal-turner-and-the-politics-of-reconstruction-part-4.html"},"modified":"2014-08-04T07:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-08-04T07:00:00","slug":"bishop-henry-mcneal-turner-and-the-politics-of-reconstruction-part-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2014\/08\/bishop-henry-mcneal-turner-and-the-politics-of-reconstruction-part-4.html","title":{"rendered":"Bishop Henry McNeal Turner and the Politics of Reconstruction-Part 4"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\">by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/andreejohnsonphd.blogspot.com\/\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Andre E. Johnson<\/a><br>R3 Editor<\/span><i style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><br><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><i><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><i style=\"line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">*Read part 1\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2014\/06\/bishop-henry-mcneal-turner-and-politics.html\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">here<\/a>. Read Part 2 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2014\/06\/bishop-henry-mcneal-turner-and-politics_30.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">here<\/a>. Read Part 3 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rhetoricraceandreligion\/2014\/07\/bishop-henry-mcneal-turner-and-politics.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">here<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><i style=\"line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><i style=\"line-height: 18.479999542236328px\">Get your copy of the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/The-Forgotten-Prophet-Prophetic-Tradition\/dp\/0739197673\/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1401679667&amp;sr=1-2\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Forgotten Prophet: Bishop\u00a0Henry\u00a0McNeal Turner and the African American Prophetic Tradition<\/a>\u00a0<\/i><i style=\"line-height: 18.479999542236328px\">American\u00a0Prophetic Tradition\u00a0in paperback.<\/i><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/543\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-FBGN9cvKUnI\/U64YPd7Q25I\/AAAAAAAAA3M\/s-YMd1rn9z8\/s1600\/hmt.gif\" style=\"clear: right;float: right;margin-bottom: 1em;margin-left: 1em\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/543\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-FBGN9cvKUnI\/U64YPd7Q25I\/AAAAAAAAA3M\/s-YMd1rn9z8\/s1600\/hmt.gif\" height=\"200\" width=\"178\"><\/a><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">Turner\u2019s activities in helping freed people understand their rights did not please everybody\u2014especially the ones who appreciated Turner\u2019s preaching. Turner admitted that there was some \u201cgrumbling with a few of our fastidious church members owing to the fact, as they say, that elder Turner don\u2019t preach as well as formerly because he is so absorbed in politics.\u201d Further, Turner responded:<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><p><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">A small delegation waited on me last night and told me it was admitted by whites and colored that I was one of the ablest ministers in the state, but of late, my sermons were dry and cold and they thought I had better desist a while from political declamations. I simply replied by asking them if I had called on the church for a cent of money in three months? They answered negatively. Then I said, well, brethren, when you are not paying a man for his services you ought to be satisfied with what he gives you. They very politely changed the subject (154).<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">Turner\u2019s snappy comebacks were not only for those who questioned his work in politics\u2014but also for those who questioned his role and authority in the church. Turner was arguably ahead of his time regarding women and the church.<a href=\"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/blogger.g?blogID=6837901219583668417#_ftn1\" name=\"_ftnref1\" title=\"\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><sup><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><sup><span style=\"line-height: 115%\">[1]<\/span><\/sup><!--[endif]--><\/sup><\/a>After he initiated the ministry of Stewardess at St. Phillip AME church in Savannah, Georgia, some of the men stewards \u201cbecame rather ashy over the matter.\u201d <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">I gave them to understand that two could not walk together except they be agreed, and if they could not work in harness, because I had a few stewardesses, they had better vacate their positions at once; or I would vacate them without their assistance, and put other men in their places; that I was the pastor of the church, and so far as its spiritual administration, was concerned was responsible to my Bishop and conference, and they were not and if the conference held me alone responsible, then it was my administration and not theirs, and those who could not work with me, <i>must get out of my way.<\/i> This seemed to have blowed on brakes, and I have heard no more of it<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"> (239)<\/span><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">Turner would go on further to write that he found the \u201cstewardesses worth more than all the male officers put together.\u201d <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">They are more industrious, more regular to time, more concerned about the religious progress of the church, and they find out more that is going on wrong.\u201d All this trouble about members not speaking has been wiped out by them from the church. If they know of two sisters who do not speak, the stewardesses appoint a time, and orde<br>\nr the parties before them at some private house; and they sing, pray, and talk over them till they burst into tears and are reconciled, when all go home pleased and happy. They have settled some old cases, which the brethren could do nothing with. (<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 150%\">240-241<\/span><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">)<i><\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">However, not all of Turner\u2019s findings on the church were positive. In one letter, he writes about the AME church in North Carolina.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">I never come into North Carolina unless I become indignant at the miserable condition of our great church.\u00a0 Somebody must go to h\u2014l for the way our church has frittered away here; it would never do for them all to go to heaven after such a willful dereliction of duty, such a result would corrupt messengers of God throughout the universe<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"> (136)<\/span><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span style=\"line-height: 150%\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span style=\"line-height: 150%\">I<\/span><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">n the same letter, Turner wrote about his experience in Goldsboro\u2014an experience that had a profound impact upon him.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\" style=\"background: white;line-height: 150%;margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;text-align: left\"><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">I spent four hours at Goldsboro, the other day, and as hard hearted as I am, I had to cry like a child at statements made to me about the condition of our people. One man, with a wife and five children, had not had a dollar this year.\u00a0 What little compensation he received, was paid in an order to a store, where he had to pay two prices for anything he got. I had contempt for the sense of a class of men, before I left home, but Oh! Heavens, what have I now-contempt is no longer a word (<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 150%\">136<\/span><span lang=\"RU\" style=\"line-height: 150%\">)<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 150%\">.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">The experience shaped Turner profoundly as he continued to ministered to the poor sharecroppers in the South. \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div><!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><i><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">To be Continued\u2026\u2026\u2026.<\/span><\/i><\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br>Follow Andre on Twitter\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/aejohnsonphd\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">@aejohnsonphd<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\">Work Cited<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><br><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color: white;line-height: 18.479999542236328px\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><span style=\"line-height: 19.799999237060547px\">Johnson, Andre E.(ed) and Henry McNeal Turner<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 19.799999237060547px\">.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Andre-E.-Johnson\/e\/B009XZYR7A\/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">An African American Pastor B<\/a><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Andre-E.-Johnson\/e\/B009XZYR7A\/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"line-height: 24px\">efore<\/span><span style=\"line-height: 19.799999237060547px\">\u00a0and\u00a0<\/span><\/a><span style=\"line-height: 19.799999237060547px\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Andre-E.-Johnson\/e\/B009XZYR7A\/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1\" style=\"text-decoration: none\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">During the American Civil War. The Literary Archive of Henry McNeal Turner, Vol \u00a03<\/a><\/span><span style=\"line-height: 19.799999237060547px\">. Edwin Mellen Press, 2013<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" style=\"text-align: left\" width=\"33%\"><!--[endif]--> \n<div id=\"ftn1\">\n<div class=\"MsoFootnoteText\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/blogger.g?blogID=6837901219583668417#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\" title=\"\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"MsoFootnoteReference\"><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class=\"MsoFootnoteReference\"><span style=\"line-height: 115%\">[1]<\/span><\/span><!--[endif]--><\/span><\/a> While Bishop, Turner ordained Sarah Hughes as the first woman Elder in the AME Church in 1885. The other Bishops rescinded the ordination and forbade Turner from ever doing it again.<\/span> <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by\u00a0Andre E. JohnsonR3 Editor *Read part 1\u00a0here. Read Part 2 here. Read Part 3 here.\u00a0 Get your copy of the\u00a0Forgotten Prophet: Bishop\u00a0Henry\u00a0McNeal Turner and the African American Prophetic Tradition\u00a0American\u00a0Prophetic Tradition\u00a0in paperback. Turner\u2019s activities in helping freed people understand their rights did not please everybody\u2014especially the ones who appreciated Turner\u2019s preaching. 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