{"id":1627,"date":"2012-12-26T14:09:30","date_gmt":"2012-12-26T14:09:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rogereolson\/?p=1627"},"modified":"2012-12-26T14:09:30","modified_gmt":"2012-12-26T14:09:30","slug":"calvinism-and-the-god-as-author-analogy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rogereolson\/2012\/12\/calvinism-and-the-god-as-author-analogy\/","title":{"rendered":"Calvinism and the God-as-author analogy"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>One of my faithful visitors here pointed me to the following recent essay posted to the Desiring God blog by one Joe Rigney (professor at John Piper\u2019s Bethlehem College and Seminary) entitled \u201cConfronting the Problem(s) of Evil.\u201d The link is: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/resource-library\/articles\/confronting-the-problem-s-of-evil\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/resource-library\/articles\/confronting-the-problem-s-of-evil<\/a>.I am not sure whether Rigney is the author of the essay; the \u201cvoice\u201d is Piper\u2019s in many ways. It\u2019s unsigned, but the \u201cby\u201d box at the top says \u201cJoe Rigney.\u201d So I will attribute it to him.<\/p>\n<p>In the essay Rigney argues that God\u2019s sovereignty is like that of a human author\u2019s over his or her narrative. Human authors frequently write novels in which their characters do terrible things. Just as we don\u2019t blame the human author for the acts committed by his or her characters, so we shouldn\u2019t blame God for the acts committed by sinful people.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, I think the analogy breaks down. If a human author somehow gained the magical ability to bring her characters to life so that they do actually commit horrific acts of murder (for example), we would hold the author responsible (as well as the now alive characters). The only reason we don\u2019t hold authors responsible for murders committed by their characters in novels is because the characters and the murders are imaginary, not real.<\/p>\n<p>But that\u2019s not the point I want to press here. I\u2019ve already talked with numerous Calvinists about that and other points related to God\u2019s sovereignty and, for the most part, our conversations have ended in what I would consider impasses. That is, we can\u2019t come to agreement about God\u2019s moral responsibility for acts he foreordains and renders certain.<\/p>\n<p>If I could talk to Rigney (or someone who agrees with him), here is what I would ask:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou seem to believe that people who understand God\u2019s sovereignty the way you do (as all-determining, comprehensive, meticulous) rightly feel not only shock but abhorrence at events such as school shootings in which multiple children are killed. But why? My question is not why you DO, but why you think it\u2019s right to have such feelings. I\u201dm not asking about moral rightness; I\u2019m asking about logical rightness.<\/p>\n<p>IF God foreordained and rendered certain a particular event for a greater good (as you assert), why, as a Christian, embrace feelings of abhorrence about them? Shouldn\u2019t you at least TRY not to feel abhorrence about them? After all, they are actually good from a higher perspective\u2013the one you claim to have that sees them as necessary events brought about by God for the greater good.<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cabhorrence\u201d I\u2019m talking about here is not the natural sensation of shock and dismay and sadness. I understand it may be impossible for anyone to avoid that in the face of murdered children. The abhorrence I\u2019m talking about is the repugnance at the evil of such an event that most people also naturally feel.<\/p>\n<p>If I had your perspective, I would strive to overcome that abhorrence in the face of any event. I would strive to be stoic about every event, realizing emotionally as I would intellectually that it is what God desires to happen and therefore must be, in the highest sense possible, good, however evil it may seem from a finite perspective.<\/p>\n<p>Now I assume you will appeal to God\u2019s alleged complex emotions in the face of evils he ordained and governs (to use Piper\u2019s language). However, I assume that when God sees a terrible evil occur that he ordained and governs, he doesn\u2019t feel moral repugnance about it. That would imply a split in God himself. The negative emotion God feels (from your perspective and John Piper\u2019s) must be something like the horror we feel when we hear about child murders, but it surely can\u2019t be moral repugnance insofar as he, God himself, wanted it to happen and rendered it certain according to his will for the ultimate good.<\/p>\n<p>If you say that God DOES feel moral repugnance when creatures do evil, then I can only assume you radically reject the doctrine of divine simplicity and believe that God actually morally abhors that which he himself plans and renders certain for the greater good. In that case, it seems, God operates from a finite perspective like we most often do.<\/p>\n<p>What I\u2019m asking about is your feelings about your feelings about evil. Do you ever sit back and reflect on whether and to what extent your moral repugnance and righteous indignation in the face of radical evil are justified?<\/p>\n<p>Now, please, understand my question rightly. Again, I\u2019m NOT asking whether, as a mere mortal, a creature, feelings of moral repugnance in the face of radical evil are normal. I\u2019m sure they are. What I\u2019m asking is how you <strong>feel<\/strong> about them. Do you embrace them or seek to resist them? If you embrace them, why? Why not <strong>try<\/strong> to resist them? Surely it\u2019s possible. We\u2019re told that the stoics of the ancient world accomplished that\u2013at least to some degree.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps you\u2019ll say that such feelings are simply irresistible. But my question is whether you think they are right. What justifies them rationally? Even if they are irresistible, why not ALSO celebrate such horrific events since you know, however you feel, that they are ordained and rendered certain by God FOR THE GREATER GOOD?<\/p>\n<p>Again, IF I held your perspective about God\u2019s sovereignty I would do my best to push aside feelings of moral repugnance in the face of, for example, child murders, and view them stoically if not as causes for celebration. Why not?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of my faithful visitors here pointed me to the following recent essay posted to the Desiring God blog by one Joe Rigney (professor at John Piper\u2019s Bethlehem College and Seminary) entitled \u201cConfronting the Problem(s) of Evil.\u201d The link is: http:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/resource-library\/articles\/confronting-the-problem-s-of-evil.I am not sure whether Rigney is the author of the essay; the \u201cvoice\u201d is [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":58,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1627","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Calvinism and the God-as-author analogy<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"One of my faithful visitors here pointed me to the following recent essay posted to the Desiring God blog by one Joe Rigney (professor at John Piper&#039;s\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rogereolson\/2012\/12\/calvinism-and-the-god-as-author-analogy\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Calvinism and the God-as-author analogy\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"One of my faithful visitors here pointed me to the following recent essay posted to the Desiring God blog by one Joe Rigney (professor at John Piper&#039;s\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/rogereolson\/2012\/12\/calvinism-and-the-god-as-author-analogy\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Roger E. 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