{"id":32745745003,"date":"2013-01-16T17:06:34","date_gmt":"2013-01-16T23:06:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/samrocha\/?p=32745745003"},"modified":"2015-02-04T18:43:56","modified_gmt":"2015-02-05T00:43:56","slug":"abortion-or-religion-a-quandary","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/samrocha\/2013\/01\/abortion-or-religion-a-quandary\/","title":{"rendered":"Abortion or Religion? A Quandary"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>When I taught at Wabash College, there was a Protestant non-demoninational congregation down the road that had a strong presence on campus and was well-known for its anti-Catholicism. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rockpointministries.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rock Point Church<\/a>. They were especially prominent among athletes\u2014I personally know of two (former) Catholics whom they convinced to leave the Church. I didn\u2019t mind the evangelical side. We do that too. It was their toxic pulpit, ringing with an aggressive, Jack Chick-style of \u00a0rhetoric, replete with the usual historical blunders and nonsensical arguments.<\/p>\n<p>You know the sort, right? No? Really? Wow. Well here\u2019s one, on the Eucharist:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" title=\"chick tract\" src=\"https:\/\/www.catholic-convert.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/screen-capture-14.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"465\" height=\"500\"><\/p>\n<p>Our quiet and mild-mannered local priest met with the pastor, but his request for mutual respect fell on deaf ears. I grew to really despise the smug sanctimony and cheery-faced passive aggression that hid behind those pious \u201chearts on fire.\u201d Even though we could have seemed to share common ground, I felt more distant and different to them then to any other campus sect, religious or otherwise. To me they were cut from the same, cowardly clothe as the guilt-riddled white liberals who loved to wring their hands at news headlines, but had no idea how to engage authentically with radical and serious differences.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">+++<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">This brings me the topic at hand\u2014<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/thecrescat\/2013\/01\/abolish-human-abortion-crazy-jack-chick-scary-anti-catholic.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">abortion<\/a>\u2014broached yesterday by fellow Patheosi, Katrina Fernandez. She writes at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/thecrescat\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">The Crescat<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Well this is awkward. Here I was endorsing a pro-life organization only to find out they\u2019re staunchly anti-Catholic. Like Jack Chick anti-Catholic, only more cliche. I\u2019m always amazed to learn the reasons some people give to hate the Catholic Church. They are always profoundly stupid. The reasons, not the people. Though if they weren\u2019t, wouldn\u2019t they be Catholic. But I digress. <a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/thecrescat\/files\/2013\/01\/2013-01-15_2236.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"2013-01-15_2236\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/thecrescat\/files\/2013\/01\/2013-01-15_2236.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"253\"><\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The screen shot really tells the whole story. The the rest of the post and the comments are revealing and informative and do the trick. I would usually quibble with the claim that all reasons to hate the Catholic Church are stupid\u2014I can think of some very intelligent and reasonable reasons to hate the Church, but none of these are it. In this context, I get the point and have nothing to add to, or detract from, it.<\/p>\n<p>If you want to join a countermovement of sorts, you may want to \u201clike\u201d this Facebook group: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AbolishHumanAbortionIsAntiCatholic\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Abolish Human Abortion is Anti Catholic<\/a>.\u00a0I\u2019m not sure that it matters, but it does raises a classic philosophical quandary, an interesting hypothetical to say the least. I\u2019ll be curious to hear what you have to say about it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">+++<\/p>\n<p>First, a quick note on hypotheticals: they are among the more perverse of philosophical habits. I don\u2019t like coming up with hypotheticals for the sake of coming up with hypotheticals. I also find that most \u201cpossible world\u201d scenarios make the serious philosophical mistake of equivocating between descriptive and normative events. In this skeptical spirit, I want to raise a hypothetical that follows along the contours of the disputes cited above. I do not fully understand the scope of the issue, but I do think that the standard \u201coh, this is an artificial binary; this dualism is false; it\u2019s not an either\/or\u201d doesn\u2019t quite work either. Perhaps in certain respects it does, but in the aspect that I think is relevant, on grand display above, it doesn\u2019t help to reject the dialectic altogether.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">+++<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">Imagine a scenario where you must either (a) oppose a person or organization that supports a cause you deeply and fully support or (b) disregard insult and injury toward your religious faith for the sake of the cause you support.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">This may seem unique, but I think it is quite normal. It may have implications for the present relationship (or lack thereof) between the Republican and Democratic parties\u2014 and the US nation-state\u2013 in relation to the religious faith of a Roman Catholic. At its core, it\u2019s about what is most important and what we can and should be doing about it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">What do you think?<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I taught at Wabash College, there was a Protestant non-demoninational congregation down the road that had a strong presence on campus and was well-known for its anti-Catholicism. Rock Point Church. They were especially prominent among athletes\u2014I personally know of two (former) Catholics whom they convinced to leave the Church. 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