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<\/a>In my last post (here<\/a>) I responded to a few arguments, made recently by TurretinFan, on the subject of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. You may find his posts here<\/a> and here<\/a>.<\/p>\n (TF, due to his anonymity and his bold persistence in strange arguments, is known on this blog as the Amazing and Undaunted Mr. X of Calvinism.)<\/p>\n Mr. X\u2019s argument, in his two posts, relies on two non sequiturs<\/em>:<\/p>\n I. If we can establish that Christ is using the word \u201ccup\u201d in a metaphorical sense (in Matt. 26:28<\/a>, Mark 14:24, and <\/a>Luke 22:20<\/a>), it must follow that he is using the word \u201cblood\u201d in a metaphorical sense too.<\/p>\n Strictly speaking, Christ\u2019s use of the word \u201ccup\u201d is not metaphor but metonymy\u2014but that\u2019s a literary distinction fine enough to both escape the subtle brain of Mr. X, and to be tangential to the real point. Just because one<\/em> word in a sentence is metaphorical does not imply that others<\/em> are. Mr. X attempts to argue that the word \u201cblood\u201d is used metaphorically\u2014not because it<\/em> is, but because cup<\/em> is. That just won\u2019t do: It\u2019s a shell game with metaphor.<\/p>\n II. If we can show that the word \u201cblood\u201d is used metaphorically elsewhere in Scripture, it must be used metaphorically in John 6 (and related passages) as well.<\/p>\n This too is a non sequitur<\/em>. It simultaneously proves too little and too much. Are we then to assume that the word \u201cblood\u201d is metaphorical every time it is used in Scripture? That makes a mockery of the crucifixion\u2014though I am sure that that is not Mr. X\u2019s intention; he is just unaware (I speak as a charitable man) of the implications of his hasty and ill-considered argument. I do not suggest that he is John Shelby Spong, or a covert member of the Jesus Seminar. I do not suspect that his true identity is Bart Ehrman, and that Dr. Ehrman makes weird and untenable arguments under a pseudonym the better to discredit Calvinism. I suggest none of those things.<\/p>\n The true question is not whether there\u2019s a figure of speech elsewhere in the Bible, or even whether there is one in the same sentence. To point out such things is tantamount to arguing: \u201cMetaphors exist, therefore this is a metaphor.\u201d You can make a metaphor of anything you like that way. Perhaps the real reason no one knows who Mr. X is is because he doesn\u2019t exist; he\u2019s just a metaphor for the secretive, oddball Calvinist. But no one seriously suggests any such thing. Instead, the only question is: What are the reasons to take this<\/em> passage literally. And in my view, there are three.<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n Here is the full passage from John 6. (Because it is a long text, for convenience I will intralink the verse numbers in my discussion.)<\/p>\n 30<\/a> They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?<\/p>\n 31<\/a> Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.<\/p>\n 32<\/a> Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.<\/p>\n 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.<\/p>\n 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.<\/p>\n 35<\/a> And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.<\/p>\n 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.<\/p>\n 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.<\/p>\n 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.<\/p>\n 39 And this is the Father\u2019s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.<\/p>\n 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.<\/p>\n 41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.<\/p>\n 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?<\/p>\n 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.<\/p>\n 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.<\/p>\n 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.<\/p>\n 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.<\/p>\n 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.<\/p>\n 48 I am that bread of life.<\/p>\n 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.<\/p>\n 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.<\/p>\n 51<\/a> I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.<\/p>\n 52<\/a> The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?<\/p>\n 53<\/a> Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.<\/p>\n 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.<\/p>\n 55<\/a> For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.<\/p>\n 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.<\/p>\n 57<\/a> As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.<\/p>\n 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.<\/p>\n 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.<\/p>\n 60<\/a> Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?<\/p>\n 61<\/a> When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?<\/p>\n 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?<\/p>\n 63<\/a> It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.<\/p>\n 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.<\/p>\n 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.<\/p>\n 66<\/a> From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.<\/p>\n 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?<\/p>\n 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.<\/p>\n 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.<\/p>\n 70<\/a> Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?<\/p>\n 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n The text begins with His disciples asking Christ for a \u201csign\u201d (v. 30<\/a>) that they might believe in Him. They recall the manna, sent by God in the wilderness, as the very kind of \u201csign\u201d they are thinking of (v. 31<\/a>). (Of course, the Jews did not believe God even then, so why something like manna should matter now is anybody\u2019s guess.)<\/p>\n Now, no one argues, except he be liberal-minded, that the manna in the desert was merely symbolic of something. And even most liberals will agree that it was true bread, though they may not want to attribute a supernatural origin to it. But at this point\u2014note<\/em>\u2014Christ says that He is truer bread than even the manna was (v. 32<\/a>). He<\/em> is \u201cthe bread of life\u201d (v. 35<\/a>).<\/p>\n Now, this could<\/em> have a merely spiritual meaning. The manna in the desert was physical bread, and the Jews ate it, and they died. Christ, however\u2014figuratively; by way of analogy\u2014is the \u201cbread\u201d through which one has eternal life. That\u2019s how Mr. X understands Him.<\/p>\n But it is not how those who first heard Christ understood Him<\/strong>, when He said that he is \u201cliving<\/em> bread\u201d (v. 51<\/a>)<\/p>\n \u201cHow can this man give us his flesh to eat?\u201d they said (v. 52<\/a>). And indeed, one can understand their distress: To eat human flesh, and drink blood, was an abomination (Lev. 17:10<\/a>).<\/p>\n So if Christ\u2019s meaning was merely figurative, this was the right moment to reassure His audience on that point. But He doesn\u2019t. Indeed, He repeats Himself<\/em>; if anything, more strongly: \u201cVerily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day\u201d (vv. 53-54<\/a>).<\/p>\n And then\u2014this is crucial; pay attention here, Mr. X\u2014Christ specifically says that he is not speaking metaphorically<\/strong>. In verse 55<\/a> He says, \u201cMy flesh is true<\/em> food, and my blood is true<\/em> drink.\u201d<\/p>\n Lest anyone try to reassure himself, \u201cOh, Yeshua is just using a figure here,\u201d Yeshua says: No, sir. Get that idea out of your head. Yeshua does not \u201cclarify\u201d; He doubles down. Thus in verse 57<\/a> He says: \u201cHe that eateth<\/em> me, even so shall he live by me.\u201d<\/p>\n All this goes far beyond Christ\u2019s presumably using the word \u201cblood\u201d metaphorically at the Last Supper. Here, if we are to believe Mr. X, Christ is using the word \u201ceat,\u201d and even the word \u201ctrue,\u201d metaphorically as well. If we are to believe Mr. X, at the very moment the Jews took a metaphor literally, Christ repeated the metaphor in even more extreme terms. Hey, brothers, if you think that metaphor was confusing, try this one on for size!<\/em><\/p>\n \u201cThis is a hard saying,\u201d his disciples say (v. 60<\/a>). \u201cWho can hear it?\u201d So they still understand Christ literally: Far from being reassured, they\u2019re all the more troubled.<\/p>\n And note that Christ, again<\/em>, is firm in standing behind what he had just said. \u201cDoth this offend you?\u201d he says (vv. 61-62<\/a>). Perhaps it offends; they understand me literally; and well they should, too<\/em>. \u201cWhat an if you shall see the Son of Man ascend up to where He was before?\u201d<\/p>\n You think this is difficult, wait until you see the Ascension. Then you\u2019ll have something to wrestle with, that let me tell you<\/em>.<\/p>\n Verse 63<\/a> is the one that Protestants such as Mr. X often cite in an attempt to show that Christ was speaking metaphorically. \u201cIt is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing,\u201d Christ says. \u201cThe words I speak unto you, they are spirit.\u201d<\/p>\n Now, the problem with that interpretation is not merely that it relies on looking at the word \u201cspirit\u201d and interpreting it to mean \u201cmetaphorical.\u201d (Are our spirits only metaphors, or are they real things?) The problem is also that it utterly disregards what Christ is responding to. He is responding not to His disciples\u2019 difficulty with understanding<\/em> what He has said, but rather their difficulty with accepting<\/em> it. And what He is saying is that they must accept it on the basis, not of human reason, but of spiritual faith. By your own reason, you will not get it; by faith, you will: That is Christ\u2019s meaning. His meaning is not: Calm down, brothers, I\u2019m just using a figure of speech here<\/em>.<\/p>\n At this point (vv. 66-68<\/a>), many of Christ\u2019s disciples abandon Him. Evidently, they<\/em> still understand Him literally (even after the \u201cflesh profiteth nothing\u201d passage). Does Christ turn to the twelve and say, \u201cDo you also misunderstand\u201d? No. Does He say, \u201cTo them it is given to misunderstand, lest they repent and be saved; but to you, I will explain myself plainly\u201d? No. He says, \u201cWill ye also go away?\u201d He gives no indication at all of having been misunderstood literally when He meant His words figuratively. And Peter says, \u201cLord, to whom shall we go?\u201d Those are words of abandonment to Christ\u2014not of human reason reassured, but of faith despite the limitations of human reason.<\/p>\n But it is Judas<\/em> who does begin to abandon Christ at this moment (vv. 70-71<\/a>). That is interesting: It is over the doctrine of the Real Presence that Judas first begins to abandon Christ.<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n I can remember, two years before I became Catholic, being tremendously struck by the severity of St. Paul\u2019s words about the Eucharist in 1 Corinthians 11:26-29:<\/p>\n For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord\u2019s death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord\u2019s body.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n Of course, I was struck by the last clause of the last verse, in which St. Paul indicates that one should \u201cdiscern the Lord\u2019s body\u201d in the Eucharist. But more than that, I was struck by how uncompromising and direct his language was. Whoever partakes of the Eucharist \u201cunworthily\u201d\u2014that is to say, in a state of mortal sin\u2014is guilty of the crucifixion itself<\/em>. Whoever partakes of the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin \u201cdrinketh damnation.\u201d That\u2019s hard.<\/p>\n It\u2019s hard, that is, if we\u2019re merely talking about a symbol.<\/p>\n But it makes perfectly reasonable sense if the Eucharist actually is, literally, the body and blood, soul and divinity, of Christ. Then it makes sense to be guilty of the crucifixion in the circumstances St. Paul describes. The crucifixion did not involve a symbolic body or symbolic blood; neither does the Eucharist. To link the two\u2014crucifixion and Eucharist\u2014as Paul does implies that they are<\/em> linked.<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n And I mean unanimous<\/em>.<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n Justin Martyr<\/strong>: \u201cFor not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into<\/strong> the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus\u201d (First Apology<\/em> 66, here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Ignatius of Antioch<\/strong>: \u201cTake note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh<\/strong> of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes<\/em>\u201d (Letter to the Smyrnaeans<\/em> 6-7, here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n St. Cyril of Alexandria<\/strong>: \u201cThe offerings, by the hidden power of God Almighty, are changed<\/strong> into Christ\u2019s Body and Blood\u201d (Commentary on Matthew<\/em> 26-27, quoted here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Cyril of Jerusalem<\/strong>: \u201cAfter the invocation the Bread becomes<\/strong> the Body of Christ, and the Wine the Blood of Christ\u201d (Catechetical Lectures<\/em> 19:7, here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Cyril of Jerusalem<\/strong>: Since then He Himself declared and said of the Bread, This is My Body, who shall dare to doubt any longer<\/strong>? And since He has Himself affirmed and said, This is My Blood, who shall ever hesitate<\/strong>, saying, that it is not His blood?\u201d (Catechetical Lectures<\/em> 22:1, here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n Who shall dare to doubt, Mr. X? Who shall hesitate? It is not enough to simply show that metaphor exists elsewhere in the Bible, or even elsewhere in the same passage, if you can not show that this<\/em> is metaphorical. Y is metaphorical because x is<\/em> is no argument; neither is x was metaphorical when it was used there, therefore it is metaphorical when it used here<\/em>. That is sophomoric reasoning\u2014a cop-out, an attempt to avoid the real hard work of honest exegesis and historical inquiry.<\/p>\n Well, but then, exegesis and historical inquiry do<\/em> run counter to the notion that the body and blood of Christ are merely symbolic in the Eucharist. That interpretation does not bear up under close examination of the relevant biblical passages, and it does not square with the understanding of Christ\u2019s disciples and the early Church.<\/p>\n I end by quoting the following, very amusing, footnote from Mr. X:<\/p>\n I should add that the Roman Catholic position is particularly absurd in that it takes \u201cthis is my body\u201d as implying that the bread ceases to be bread and becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. Likewise, it is claimed that \u201cthis is \u2026 my blood\u201d implies exactly the same thing about the contents of the cup. That\u2019s quite far from taking the words literally, in which the bread would just be the body, and the contents of the cup would just be the blood.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n How now, Nestorius<\/a>? Still attempting to separate the humanity and the divinity of Christ? Old heresies never die; they just fade away into newer ones.<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n You can read more about the Church Fathers on Transubstantiation here<\/a>; and you can read a good article on John 6 by seminarian Joe Heschmeyer (of Shameless Popery<\/em>) here<\/a>.<\/p>\n If you like the content on this blog, your generous gift to the author<\/a> helps to keep it active. I remember all my supporters in my Mass intentions each week<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"THE JEWS UNDERSTOOD JESUS LITERALLY, AND HE DID NOT CORRECT THEM<\/h6>\n
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<\/a>Christ’s words in John 6 could<\/em> have a merely spiritual meaning. The manna in the desert was physical bread, and the Jews ate it, and they died. Christ, however—figuratively; by way of analogy—is the \u201cbread\u201d through which one has eternal life. That\u2019s how Mr. X understands Him. But it is not how those who first heard Christ understood Him, when He said that he is \u201cliving bread\u201d \u201cHow can this man give us his flesh to eat?\u201d they said And one can understand their distress.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2705,"featured_media":3778,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,12,65],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-237","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-answers-for-calvinists","category-biblical-exegesis","category-real-presence"],"yoast_head":"\n