{"id":15827,"date":"2013-06-17T22:26:05","date_gmt":"2013-06-18T02:26:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/slacktivist\/?p=15827"},"modified":"2013-06-17T22:26:05","modified_gmt":"2013-06-18T02:26:05","slug":"more-on-conscience-vs-obedience-with-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/slacktivist\/2013\/06\/17\/more-on-conscience-vs-obedience-with-music\/","title":{"rendered":"More on conscience vs. &#8216;obedience&#8217; &#8212; with music"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Here\u2019s a bit more on the theme of the last two posts \u2014 the unsustainable anxiety of those who believe that \u201cobedience\u201d to God\u2019s Law requires them to do the opposite of what their conscience is telling them to do \u2014 prompted by two videos recently posted by bloggers I enjoy.<\/p>\n<p>The first is from Kimberly Knight of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/kimberlyknight\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Coming Out Christian<\/a> who introduces this clip from <em>America\u2019s Got Talent<\/em> with a warning that it might make you a bit teary:<\/p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DpeAnjyeUUQ\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DpeAnjyeUUQ<\/a>\n<p>If you can\u2019t watch that video, it features Jonathan Allen, 20, of Lawrenceburg, Tenn., who tells the story of being kicked out of his parents\u2019 house on his 18th birthday because he\u2019s gay. He relates that background in his introduction to his <em>Talent<\/em> audition \u2014 shocking and dismaying the panel of celebrity judges.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat\u2019s a terrible story,\u201d Howie Mandel says, and it\u2019s hard to disagree.<\/p>\n<p>After the kid brings the crowd to its feet \u2014 Jonathan\u2019s got some pipes \u2014 Howard Stern said, \u201cI don\u2019t know if your parents are watching tonight, but I would like to say to them, \u2018What a wonderful son you have.'\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And you realize, watching this, that what you\u2019ve just seen is a lop-sided moral dispute in which two devoutly religious believers, acting on their idea of \u201cobedience\u201d to a holy God, have been publicly put to shame <em>by Howie Mandel and Howard Stern.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Let that sink in. When your religious beliefs and actions cause you to lose the moral high ground to <em>Howard Stern,<\/em> then something has gone horribly wrong with your religion.<\/p>\n<p>The other video that helps to illustrate how American evangelicalism has come to be racked by the opposing strains of \u201cobedience\u201d and conscience is from Darrell Dow of Stuff Fundies Like, and it\u2019s not quite as inspiring or lovely as Jonathan Allen\u2019s audition. This one is an earnest church trio\u2019s rendition of Lanny Wolfe\u2019s* \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.stufffundieslike.com\/2013\/06\/goh-my-house-is-full-but-my-field-is-empty\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">My House Is Full (But My Field Is Empty)<\/a>\u201d \u2014 a staple of missions\/evangelism guilt-trips that will be familiar to anyone who\u2019s been a part of the American evangelical subculture in recent decades:<\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Llighthouse Baptist Ladies Trio, &quot;My House is Full (But the Fields are Empty)&quot;\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/rrUCUzWMzoU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p>That song captures the guilt-driven evangelism obligation that is, for many evangelical Christians, the first disturbing experience of a conflict between conscience and what we\u2019re told obedience requires. Maybe it was door-to-door evangelism, or maybe it was \u201cstreet\u201d evangelism, or tract-bombing passers-by on the sidewalk or the Boardwalk. The experience was unpleasant and you dreaded having to do it, but you were told that it was your Christian duty. If you shirked that duty, you would be responsible for those lost souls being damned to Hell for eternity.<\/p>\n<p>The pastor or youth minister seemed to know that you were reluctant to fulfill your duty to evangelize, and he would turn to Romans 1:16 to shame you into it. \u201cFor I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,\u201d that verse says. And if you were reluctant or hesitant or anything less than enthusiastic about this aggressive evangelistic effort, then the pastor suggested that you must be shamefully ashamed of the gospel of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>That message worked on me, at first. I was not ashamed of Christ \u2014 I <em>loved<\/em> Christ. And if loving Christ meant I had to go out and perform a series of rude, clumsy, off-putting confrontations with strangers, then I\u2019d just have to suck it up, set aside my discomfort and do my duty. \u201cWho will go and work for me today?\u201d <em>I will<\/em> \u2014 even if the thought of doing so makes my stomach hurt.<\/p>\n<p>It took quite a while for me to realize that queasy feeling in my stomach had nothing to do with nerves or fear or a lack of faith or being \u201cashamed of the gospel of Christ.\u201d That queasy feeling was my conscience reminding me of Rule No. 1 and pleading with me <em>not to be a jerk.<\/em> That was why I didn\u2019t want to knock on doors or walk up to strangers on the sidewalk or distribute tracts to wary passers-by \u2014 because those things made me feel like a jerk. <em>Why?<\/em> Because acting like a jerk tends to make one feel like a jerk.<\/p>\n<p>Contextless, cold-calling, hard-sales evangelism almost always and almost inevitably entails acting like a jerk. It involves treating other people as objects rather than as subjects. It involves forcing onto them an experience that none of us would want to have forced onto ourselves.<\/p>\n<p>But I did it. I knocked on doors, I passed out the tracts. I did what I honestly believed obedience required me to do, even when my conscience was screaming at me to stop, just <em>please, for the love of God, stop.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a lose-lose situation. When conscience and \u201cobedience\u201d are pulling in opposite directions, guilt is inescapable. Your stomach hurts because your behavior toward others seems unloving, yet you\u2019re unable to correct that because obedience tells you that to be \u201c<em>truly<\/em> loving\u201d to others will require you to double-down on that behavior.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/52\/2013\/06\/RWAC.gif\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-15828\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/52\/2013\/06\/RWAC.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"496\" height=\"192\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Unless or until you find a way to reconcile conscience and obedience \u2014 to get them pulling in the same direction \u2014 something\u2019s gotta give.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013 \u2013<\/p>\n<p>* In defense of Lanny Wolfe, here\u2019s Sandy Patti and Larnelle Harris singing Wolfe\u2019s biggest hit, \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Vm3pcE-yx_I\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">More Than Wonderful<\/a>\u201d which is really good despite \u2014 or maybe <em>because of<\/em> \u2014 the fact that it\u2019s also immensely cheesy. It\u2019s like having Barry Manilow and Dianne Warren as the church music directors in charge of a worship team led by Peabo Bryson and Regina Belle (or maybe led by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=WRBrHowWXMU\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jordan Peele and Jane Lynch<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It took quite a while for me to realize that queasy feeling in my stomach had nothing to do with nerves or fear or a lack of faith or being &#8220;ashamed of the gospel of Christ.&#8221; That queasy feeling was my conscience reminding me of Rule No. 1 and pleading with me not to be a jerk. That was why I didn&#8217;t want to knock on doors or walk up to strangers on the sidewalk or distribute tracts to wary passers-by &#8212; because those things made me feel like a jerk. Why? 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