{"id":246,"date":"2011-12-19T11:50:00","date_gmt":"2011-12-19T11:50:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2011\/12\/personal-flotsam-or-the-barque-of-peter\/"},"modified":"2011-12-19T11:50:00","modified_gmt":"2011-12-19T11:50:00","slug":"personal-flotsam-or-the-barque-of-peter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2011\/12\/personal-flotsam-or-the-barque-of-peter.html","title":{"rendered":"Personal Flotsam or the Barque of Peter?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-SuXohofLtGs\/Tu9r6ztW_eI\/AAAAAAAAGUY\/cE-Mn8r6UCs\/s1600\/wreckage.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"199\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-SuXohofLtGs\/Tu9r6ztW_eI\/AAAAAAAAGUY\/cE-Mn8r6UCs\/s320\/wreckage.jpg\" width=\"320\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">A comment from a sincere Protestant:<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size: x-small;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size: x-small;line-height: 18px\"><i>However good, however all-embracing, however truthful, however up-to-date, however correct or incorrect, however complete or incomplete \u2013 the teaching of any church cannot tell me these things: how my personal relationship with Jesus is, and may develop; how scripture and tradition apply to my personal situation now, my present joys and sorrows and difficulties and my relationships with other people; what God\u2019s purpose is for me to fulfil in life to his glory; how the Holy Spirit in glorious freedom may lead me down paths unknown and reveal to me things both old and new as I work out my own salvation in fear and trembling.<\/i><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size: x-small;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">This is a nicely written and heartfelt comment, but it reveals the heart of the difference between the Protestant mentality and the Catholic. At the foundation level the Protestant\u2019s faith is between him and Jesus. It is subjective. He is the final arbiter of how his relationship with Jesus is, how to interpret and apply the Scriptures, God\u2019s purpose for his life, how the Holy Spirit leads him as an individual.<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">This is almost exactly the opposite of Catholic understanding. The longer I am a Catholic the more I distrust my own judgement. The more I doubt my own perspective; the more I question my own motives and my own understanding of the faith. I do so for several very good reasons. First of all, my understanding and vision is limited. It is limited by my education, my biases, my experience and my emotions. Secondly, my experience of \u2018my relationship with Jesus\u2019 is unreliable. How do I know it is Jesus I am \u201cexperiencing\u201d and not just a fabrication of my emotions or my preconceived ideas about who Jesus is? What evidence do I have that it really is the Holy Spirit leading me in \u201cglorious freedom\u201d and that I am not just doing what I want and then claiming divine authority to do so? Thirdly, I distrust my own experiences in all these things not only because I distrust my own judgement, but because my own private judgement has so often run contrary to the will of the Church\u2013the teaching of the Church and the judgement of the Church. Put simply\u2013why should I be right and the Pope and a billion Catholics be wrong?<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">I am increasingly, therefore, (and with great gratitude) happy to subject my own \u201cpersonal relationship with Jesus\u201d to the objective, historical teachings of the Catholic Church. So, for example, I ask the question, \u201cWhere do I encounter Christ?\u201d The Catechism says I objectively encounter Christ in five ways: 1. in the Church\u2013the Eucharistic Assembly which is the Body of Christ 2. In the person of the priest. 3. In the Eucharistic species 4. In the Sacred Scriptures 5. In the person of the poor. These five are good enough for me. I may feel that I experience Christ in other ways, but while I appreciate them, I do not rely on them.<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">Furthermore, I have found that by subjecting myself to the the Sacred Scriptures interpreted by the Church and lived out by the examples of the saints, that my own spiritual life has not been curtailed or constrained, but amplified and expanded beyond my furthest imaginings. By subjecting myself as much as I can to the teachings of Holy Mother Church my life has widened out, not narrowed down. By striving to be obedient\u2013even when it is hard\u2013<i>especially<\/i>\u00a0when it is hard\u2013my spiritual life has grown, not diminished.\u00a0<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">I am therefore to be judged by the Church\u2013I am not to judge the church. I listen to the voice of the Bishops\u2013even when I don\u2019t like what they say. I strive to understand and comply with the teachings of Mother Church because she knows better than I do. I strive to subject my will to the will of my bishop in what I hope might be holy obedience because through that act of the will and subjugation of the will my spirit grows far more than my own feeble ideas of \u2018glorious freedom\u2019. It is within this holy obedience that I learn far more than if I had imagined that I knew everything already.<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">This is, admittedly, very difficult. In an individualistic age in which every man is his own spiritual director, his own Biblical interpreter and his own Pope, to believe and act as if the Bishops of the Church are Christ\u2019s own apostles, operating under his own divine mandate\u2013is to believe and act (in the world\u2019s eyes) as a fool. But so be it. Let me be a fool for Christ, and if I die with a foolish smile on my face because my foolishness has confounded the world and bankrupted me, then that is the way I wish to die.<\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\"><br><\/span><br><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"color: #333333;font-family: inherit;line-height: 18px\">My greatest fear is that I would walk outside the church\u2013somehow imagining that I know best. The one area of my life which I know least and which is the greatest mystery to me is my own spiritual life and my own spiritual progress. Because of my self doubt and agnosticism about my own holiness or progress I rely increasingly on the secure rock of Peter. I want to be in the barque of Peter. Not at sea clinging to my own piece of personal flotsam.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A comment from a sincere Protestant:However good, however all-embracing, however truthful, however up-to-date, however correct or incorrect, however complete or incomplete \u2013 the teaching of any church cannot tell me these things: how my personal relationship with Jesus is, and may develop; how scripture and tradition apply to my personal situation now, my present joys [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":557,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-246","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Personal Flotsam or the Barque of Peter?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"A comment from a sincere Protestant:However good, however all-embracing, however truthful, however up-to-date, however correct or incorrect, however\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2011\/12\/personal-flotsam-or-the-barque-of-peter.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Personal Flotsam or the Barque of Peter?\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"A comment from a sincere Protestant:However good, however all-embracing, however truthful, however up-to-date, however correct or incorrect, however\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2011\/12\/personal-flotsam-or-the-barque-of-peter.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Fr. 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