{"id":2658,"date":"2008-05-15T08:54:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-15T08:54:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2008\/05\/apologetics-tale\/"},"modified":"2008-05-15T08:54:00","modified_gmt":"2008-05-15T08:54:00","slug":"apologetics-tale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2008\/05\/apologetics-tale.html","title":{"rendered":"Apologetics Tale"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Patrick Madrid tells the story of being invited to publicly debate a very anti-Catholic Protestant on the subject of images in worship.<\/p>\n<p>Patrick won the flip and was first up to bat. He began by saying,  \u201cMy opponent will try to tell you that the Catholic use of images in worship is at worst, idolatry, and at least, meaningless.\u201d He then pulled a large, beautiful crucifix from beneath the podium. \u201cThis is a crucifix. Through this image we Catholics follow the example of St Paul and preach Christ crucified. Furthermore, we believe that some images, through long focus of prayer and veneration, soak up some of that holiness, and we revere them more than others. We love these reminders of Our Lord\u2019s death and we venerate these physical things, not for themselves, but because they are vehicles of God\u2019s love and grace in our lives.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He then put the image on the floor and said, \u201cHowever, if this image really is an idol, or at least just a worthless carving, I would like to invite my opponent to come forward and act on what he believes. 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