{"id":933,"date":"2010-10-17T12:20:00","date_gmt":"2010-10-17T12:20:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2010\/10\/perspectives-on-pentecost\/"},"modified":"2010-10-17T12:20:00","modified_gmt":"2010-10-17T12:20:00","slug":"perspectives-on-pentecost","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/standingonmyhead\/2010\/10\/perspectives-on-pentecost.html","title":{"rendered":"Perspectives on Pentecost"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_5BV_YADVD7o\/TLsbPOyS9lI\/AAAAAAAAE7M\/SLWekeC7gCI\/s1600\/Pentecost2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"235\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_5BV_YADVD7o\/TLsbPOyS9lI\/AAAAAAAAE7M\/SLWekeC7gCI\/s400\/Pentecost2.jpg\" width=\"400\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Is it \u2018me and Jesus\u2019 or \u2018me and the Church\u2019? This is the question of ecclesiology and the difference between Catholics and Protestants on this issue is illustrated by two different perspectives on Pentecost. I think it is fair to say that most Protestants do not have an ecclesiology, or if they have one they do not have a coherent ecclesiology. That is to say, they don\u2019t think much about the church, or if they have thought about the church their conclusions are incoherent or incomplete. This is because most Protestants work from the individualistic experience of Christianity as a starting point, and most Evangelical Christians (as opposed to Anglicans, Lutherans etc) work almost exclusively from the individualistic point of view. For them the Church consists of \u2018all believers everywhere whose identity and numbers are known by God alone.\u2019 Actual churches and denominations are considered in a utilitarian manner. They are a necessary practicality, but none is better or truer than another and the individual believer in Jesus simply needs to choose the one which works best for them or is the one they like best.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore the Protestant understanding of Pentecost focuses on the tongues of flame descending on the heads of each individual disciples. That\u2019s about it. The Holy Spirit comes down and grants each individual divine inspiration and a rapturous experience of the supernatural love of God. Now that\u2019s all well and good, and Catholicism does not deny the individualistic experience of the Holy Spirit. However this is a minimalist understanding of Pentecost. It is, if you like, Mere Christianity when we should really all want More Christianity.<\/p>\n<p>More Christianity invites the Protestant individualistic believer to look again at the significance of Pentecost. The Catholic portrayal of the event in the illustration above reveals the depth and breadth of meaning from the Catholic perspective. In this portrayal the tongues of flame do indeed descend on each of the disciples, and they are variously awed, stunned, flattened and devastated by the power of God in their lives.<\/p>\n<p>However we do not see them merely as \u2018disciples\u2019 but more as apostles. The Holy Spirit descends on the chosen twelve thereby revealing the fulfillment of Christ\u2019s promises to his Apostles and showing that it is not just disciples, but the Apostolic Church which is filled and inspired by Christ\u2019s Spirit and (be logical extension) his authority. When he was on earth Christ exercised his divine authority by teaching the truth, healing the sick and taking authority over evil. He instructed his apostles to do the same saying, \u201cAs the Father has sent me, so I am sending you.\u201d He promised the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, who would remind them of his teachings and lead them into all truth.\u201d This Holy Spirit descends on the Apostolic Church inspiring them and filling them with the authority and power that the Lord promised.<\/p>\n<p>There is more: the Blessed Virgin in in their midst. She is not bowled over by the infilling of the Holy Spirit because she has already been overshadowed by the Holy Spirit at the moment of the Annunciation. She who conceived and gave birth to the God incarnate stands in the center of the church\u2019s moment of birth. She who gave birth to the Body of Christ incarnate is there giving birth to the Mystical Body of Christ the Church. The same Holy Spirit who overshadowed her then overshadows her now. Just as Christ was incarnate through her, now the mystical Body of Christ is incarnate through her into the world. The apostles surround her and receive the Lord through her for without her there would have been no Lord Jesus Christ, and without her there would therefore be no Mystical Body of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, the painter places the event within the Upper Room. It is no mistake that this same Upper Room was the place where the Holy Eucharist was instituted, and where, by virtue of his command that they \u2018do this in remembrance\u2019 the Apostles were ordained and had bestowed upon them the priesthood of Christ. This same Upper Room where the Eucharist was established is also the location for the descent of the Holy Spirit. The five can therefore never be separated: The Holy Spirit, the Mystical body of Christ the Church, the Mother of God, the Eucharist and the Apostolic Authority. The five come together in the painting as the central feature is a large and permanent altar, on which the Mother of God stands and around which the apostles circle.<\/p>\n<p>The Upper Room is painted as an exalted building with classical columns and an overarching ceiling which is open to heaven itself. This place is a Bethel\u2013a threshold of heaven\u2013the doorstep of transcendent glory. The place where the Holy Spirit descends is therefore shown to be the Church\u2013empowered and strengthened by the pillars which are the apostolic authority and at her center the Mother of God who is also the Mother of Christ and therefore the Mother of the Church.<\/p>\n<p>That this room is a solid, classical structure with columns, floor and altar and ceiling reminds the viewer that the Church is a temple and that the members of the church are living stones. It also reminds the viewer that the Church is not an invisible and spiritual reality alone, but it is a solid, historical, tangible reality. The Church, like the Body of Christ, is real. It is identifiable in history. It has a definable set of dogmatic beliefs and moral teachings. It also has a structure, a hierarchy, a code of law, and a system of governance and authority. It is something solid and substantial and historical.<\/p>\n<p>All of this, we believe, was founded and continues to be inspired and filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. Individual experiences of the Holy Spirit are a good thing. However, Catholics recognize that on their own, they are ephemeral, subjective and unreliable. How do we know that what a person says is the Holy Spirit is indeed the Holy Spirit? As C.S.Lewis said, that \u2018religious experience\u2019 may simply be the result of a very good dinner. Likewise it may be an ordinary human psychic or emotional experience. It may be something manufactured by a blend of powerful oratory, emotional music and feelings of guilt or exaltation. It may even be the manifestation of disordered and evil spiritual entities.<\/p>\n<p>The individual experience of religion therefore needs to be grounded in the objective experience of the Church. It is only within the Church that our individual experience can be validated, and it is only a Church with a reliable, historic, Scriptural, rational, Apostolic authority which can speak with the necessary authority to validate the subjective experience.<\/p>\n<p>This is the church we see being established at Pentecost, and this is the Church which subsists today in the Roman Catholic Church.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is it \u2018me and Jesus\u2019 or \u2018me and the Church\u2019? 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