{"id":30753,"date":"2011-08-19T17:50:08","date_gmt":"2011-08-19T17:50:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/theanchoress\/?p=30753"},"modified":"2017-03-04T04:38:54","modified_gmt":"2017-03-04T04:38:54","slug":"more-on-voris-and-rctv","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2011\/08\/19\/more-on-voris-and-rctv\/","title":{"rendered":"More on Voris and RCTV"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><strong>Lots of very ungenerous comments yesterday <\/strong> \u2014 detailing how Mark Shea is a heterodox-Michael-Voris hater \u2014 by people who were busily emoting, and ignoring the fact that <a href=\"http:\/\/markshea.blogspot.com\/2011\/08\/everybody-is-writing-me.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong><em>yesterday morning<\/em><\/strong><\/a>, before most were even <em>aware<\/em> of the story, Shea was already <em>defending<\/em> Voris, and promising a beefed-up defense today.<\/p>\n<p>And today, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/mark-shea\/in-defense-of-michael-voris-and-simon-rafe\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>he keeps his word<\/strong><\/a>, coming to the defense not only of Voris, but of Simon Rafe, too:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201c. . . I expect some in the blogosphere who aren\u2019t especially keen on stuff like \u201cThe Vortex\u201d will be rubbing their hands with glee (and then assuming a posture of \u201cconcern\u201d). That\u2019s not a big surprise.  When you live, as RCTV does, by denouncing others as impure, you\u2019d better run a tight ship of your own.  When your bread and butter is encouraging contempt for bishops as bad managers of underlings, you\u2019d better be careful about your own underlings. He who lives by the sword, etc. <a href=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/sites\/7\/2011\/08\/voris.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/sites\/7\/2011\/08\/voris-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-30755\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>But personally, I don\u2019t think any of this stuff is a big deal and don\u2019t think there is anything sinister at work here. I disagree with Voris on certain points and think that his My-Way-or-the-Highway presentation leaves much to be desired, but I don\u2019t for a moment think him a dishonest man. As somebody who has an anti-charism of organization and who is cocooned in administrative chaos whenever I have to organize anything more complex than a trip to the zoo with my grand-daughter, I can easily believe that Voris simply lost track of whatever paperwork you have to do to make a non-profit stay on the books of the State of Michigan. If you find that incredible, then you\u2019ve never worked in an organization founded by a guy with a specific charism (say, speaking and making videos) who delegates all the administrative stuff to somebody else and assumes it\u2019s all being taken care of.<br>\n[\u2026]<br>\nSimilarly, I just don\u2019t see the big issue with Simon Rafe, whose background is in English, Creative Writing, and that whole side of the artistic world using his creative gifts to write fan fiction or create a D&amp;D game with \u201cadult themes.\u201d One routinely reads novels, plays and short stories by great Catholic writers (Chaucer, Shakespeare, O\u2019Connor, or such great science fiction writers as Michael Flynn and Gene Wolfe) in which all sorts of \u201cadult situations\u201d are portrayed and no mature Catholic would object. The Bard alone is full of rape, incest, adultery, cannibalism, sorcery and murder, not to mention routine bawdiness that has gotten laughs for centuries. [\u2026] So while I think there is a tragedy and a scandal in the story of Rafe\u2019s construction of imaginative worlds and tales, I don\u2019t think the scandal belongs to him or to Voris or to Real Catholic TV. I think the sorrow lies in the fact that our puritanized semi-Calvinist Conservative American Catholic culture is one in which an honest Catholic who likes to construct imaginative tales in the medium of on-line gaming as an innocent hobby feels he must stifle and crush that imaginative impulse lest he be punished for it by people who fear and loathe imagination as a tool of the devil. I think it even sadder that, despite Rafe having apologized for this non-issue and taken it to confession, some people are still demanding Rafe lose his job and he be treated like a pariah. \u201c<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>This is a very long and comprehensive defense<\/strong>, and a critique of narrow extremism or, \u201cJudgmental Orthodoxy\u201d as someone said, so do <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/mark-shea\/in-defense-of-michael-voris-and-simon-rafe\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>read it all<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>There is also another piece about the RCTV story, which seems to have germinated in my comments thread. Patrick Thornton at CatholicVote.org wonders <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicvote.org\/discuss\/index.php?p=19957\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>whether the organization is for-profit, or non<\/strong><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As far as the lapse of the non-profit status, well that would seem to be important if RealCatholicTV.com operated as a non-profit.<\/p>\n<p>However, they don\u2019t appear to operate that way at all.<\/p>\n<p>Their website does not claim to be a non-profit, but does contain a section titled \u201cDONATE\u201d.  On the donation page in small print it also says, \u201cRealCatholicTV.com is not a non-profit organization\u201d.  Under the main DONATE button you are informed that if you would like to make a \u201ctax deductible donation\u201d you can do so through Saint Michael\u2019s Media.  Regular donations administered through PayPal (and presumably subscriptions) go to \u201cRealCatholicTV.com\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>But RealCatholicTV is not a an assumed name for Saint Michael\u2019s Media.  It is an assumed name for Concept Communication LLC (source: Michigan Dept. of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs) which is a for-profit Michigan based limited liability company owned by\u2026you guessed it\u2026Michael Voris.<\/p>\n<p>Now, where have I heard about an evangelist running all his sales through a for-profit private company?  Hmmm.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>I think whether RCTV and St. Michael\u2019s Media<\/strong> are for-profit or non-profit endeavors is entirely Voris\u2019 business; he\u2019s certainly entitled to run a for-profit business if he wants to. But perhaps he should be just a little clearer about it on the site, if for no other reason than to avoid speculation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Related:<br>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/abbey-roads.blogspot.com\/2011\/08\/world-of-fanfiction-whos-in-it-follow.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Abbey-Roads<\/a><br>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/defend-us-in-battle.blogspot.com\/2011\/08\/rctv-voris-internal-problems-kerfuffle.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Defend Us in Battle<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lots of very ungenerous comments yesterday \u2014 detailing how Mark Shea is a heterodox-Michael-Voris hater \u2014 by people who were busily emoting, and ignoring the fact that yesterday morning, before most were even aware of the story, Shea was already defending Voris, and promising a beefed-up defense today. 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