{"id":31699,"date":"2011-09-21T16:47:30","date_gmt":"2011-09-21T16:47:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/theanchoress\/?p=31699"},"modified":"2017-03-04T04:26:24","modified_gmt":"2017-03-04T04:26:24","slug":"echoes-ghettos-the-chasm-of-unknowing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2011\/09\/21\/echoes-ghettos-the-chasm-of-unknowing\/","title":{"rendered":"Echoes, Ghettos &amp; the Chasm of Unknowing"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><strong>Start here with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecatholicthing.org\/columns\/2011\/the-anti-catholic-moment.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Robert Royal\u2019s piece on the \u201canti-Catholic moment\u201d<\/a><\/strong>  Are we living in one?<\/p>\n<p><em>Maybe.<\/em> But I\u2019ll get back to that, later.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/sites\/7\/2011\/09\/lessons.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/sites\/7\/2011\/09\/lessons.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"255\" height=\"197\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-31742\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>The hatemail and disgusting threats<\/strong> being made against Stacy Trasancos are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.acceptingabundance.com\/2011\/08\/cant-even-go-to-park.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>reprehensible and <em>cannot<\/em> be justified<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>They can\u2019t. Don\u2019t try. Don\u2019t say \u201cwell, she\u2026\u201d and then prattle on that her expressed frustration and the hurt feelings of others justifies wishing that her children be \u201ckidnapped, raped and murdered.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Don\u2019t say, \u201cbut\u2026\u201d because there is no but. There are <em>lines<\/em>. The excessive, gratuitous frenzy of hate that Trasancos experienced was all out of proportion to what she said.<br>\n<strong><br>\nAnd what did she say?<\/strong> Well, for some reason I can\u2019t cut and paste it, but in a self-described rant, she expressed approbation at seeing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.acceptingabundance.com\/2011\/08\/cant-even-go-to-park.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>what she perceived to be gay public displays of affection<\/strong><\/a>, including two women who were \u201cso happy to see\u201d a baby boy laughing in a bucket swing that they embraced and then \u201cremained, rubbing each other\u2019s back in a way that was clearly not just friendly affection.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now, of course, it was very possible that what Stacy was seeing was a gay PDA, both at the swings and at the public pools where she spied two men \u201ceffeminately rubbing elbows and exchanging doe-eyes\u201d \u2014 behavior which her children \u201cdon\u2019t see Daddy do, except toward Mommy.\u201d It\u2019s very possible she did see that.<br>\n<strong><br>\nIt\u2019s also <em>possible<\/em> that she saw something else.<\/strong>  In the case of the two women who were so happy to see a laughing baby that they embraced and then tenderly rubbed each other\u2019s back, she may have seen two sisters who had recently endured a death in the family, or two friends who had shared a journey of infertility, or cancer treatment. Maybe that child had been critically ill at some point, and his laughter was sweet and poignant. What she perceived to be Sapphic tenderness could have been simple human consolation, shared between two women who had walked through a fire together and in that child\u2019s laughter, recognized that they had made it through.<\/p>\n<p>In the case of the two doe-eyed men, she may well have seen two men with homosexual inclinations, but she can\u2019t have any way of knowing whether or not their affection was anything more than that.  In fact, for all she knows, the men make a point of going somewhere public, like a pool, rather than a bathhouse, because \u2014 while attracted \u2014 they prefer to not tempt themselves.<\/p>\n<p>Which, ironically, would be an intention Stacy would applaud, I think.<br>\n<strong><br>\nMy point being, we can\u2019t actually <em>know<\/em>.<\/strong> We can wonder, but unless something is more overt than what is being described, we really can\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p>And if we cannot know something for sure, then perhaps we ought to hold our rants until we do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I don\u2019t know Stacy Trasancos,<\/strong> but I\u2019ve had a few email interactions with her and she has always struck me as pleasant, smart and serious. I probably would not have written what she wrote; had I observed what she reports, I might have looked at it differently.<\/p>\n<p>Nevertheless, a spree of violent fantasies made in response to her admitted \u201crant\u201d was <em>mature<\/em>? Spite is legitimate?<\/p>\n<p>Might makes right? Is that what it comes down to?<br>\n<strong><br>\nAnyone who thinks they\u2019re going to force gays back into the closets<\/strong> is kidding himself. And anyone who thinks Christians are going to stop believing what they believe because the conventional wisdom says they should is also kidding himself. We are all going to have to learn to live together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>This is not all about \u201ctolerance\u201d and relativism;<\/strong> it\u2019s not about holding hands and singing Kumbaya. It doesn\u2019t mean that see people (gay or straight) making out in public we have to take it and say, \u201cit\u2019s alright children, there are all sorts of people in the world.\u201d Of course not. We try to discretely make the couple aware that there are children present (assuming they would care) or we leave and tell our kids that such behavior is unacceptable; that it is disrespectful to the self and to others, and we explain why \u2014 and that lesson extends into all of the other kinds of conversations.<\/p>\n<p>It also doesn\u2019t mean that when someone goes on a \u201crant\u201d about perceived behaviors, the proper responses are death threats, <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.lisagraas.com\/2011\/09\/20\/dan-savages-anti-catholic-hate-speech-courtesy-of-google\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>vile name-calling<\/strong><\/a> and the worst sort of vituperative hate-spewing. Descending <em>en masse<\/em> upon a blogger and \u2014 because you didn\u2019t like what she said \u2014 using that as a pretext for justifying threats of rape, murder?  How does that sort of bullying and intimidation convince people of anything? How is different from the sort of bullying and intimidation a project like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.itgetsbetter.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>\u201cIt Gets Better\u201d<\/strong><\/a> tries to address?<\/p>\n<p>How does becoming the bully make everything squared?<br>\n<strong><br>\nThe increased Balkanization of our society<\/strong> \u2014 with everyone hanging out in echo chambers peopled primarily by those who agree with everyone else \u2014 is settling us into ghetto mentalities. I once had a Catholic Mom express concern to me that her kids admired a flamboyantly \u201cg-a-y\u201d singer, and she didn\u2019t know what to think about that, or what to tell them, since \u201cwe don\u2019t know any people like that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And in the ghetto next door, of course, there are gays who have nothing good to say about \u201cChristian conservatives\u201d because they don\u2019t actually know any people like that. A family member once brought a gay friend to an Eagle Scout ceremony. He\u2019d prepared to walk into a lion\u2019s den of growling, spitting haters, and instead found himself told to get comfortable by a bunch of firefighters doing ceremonials and middle-aged moms fighting over the coffee urn, none of whom cared about his eyeliner.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easy to simmer in the ghetto, easy to get comfortable with assumptions, stereotypes, paranoias and fears, because there is nothing to challenge them. Actually <em>meeting<\/em> the people we think we know all about (gay people; \u201cillegal\u201d immigrants who have been here for twenty years, the progressive blogger everyone told you was a meanie, but is just worried; the conservative who seems so terse but is just shy) getting to know them, working with them, agreeing on some things, disagreeing on others \u2014 when you do that, suddenly the \u201cother\u201d is a person struggling along, just like you, being battered in some ways, soaring in others. That\u2019s when caricatures crumble.<\/p>\n<p>And others, of course, culled from the same groups, are just miserable bastards you can\u2019t do much about but kiss \u2019em up to God, and move on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>So, what are we going to do?<\/strong> Have ghetto wars? Try to legislate each other away? Act like shrieking baboons in an attempt to convince the other that we are humans worthy, at the very least, of simple courtesy and respect?<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to do. Let\u2019s pray about it, and for each other.<\/p>\n<p><strong>One of the things I love about Catholicism<\/strong> is that it\u2019s not strident. We have an enormous catechism, and we have a depository of faith, a duty to propagate the truth and a pope who <a href=\"http:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/onthesquare\/2010\/10\/the-tolerance-disconnect\/elizabeth-scalia\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>gives excellent instruction and models the life of faith<\/strong><\/a> for us. We know that there is only one truth, the Word Incarnate, and all that flows from that Source \u2014 but we also have the humility to understand that, as we heard <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/theanchoress\/2011\/09\/18\/pondering-todays-mass-readings\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>last weekend at Mass<\/strong><\/a>, <em>\u201cmy thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the LORD.\u201d  <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Which means that sometimes even things that strike us as infuriating, unjust or in all-ways-wrong are used by God for his purposes and glory.<\/p>\n<p>The crucifix reminds us of that, everyday.<\/p>\n<p><strong>It is into the chasm between our imperfect and limited understanding<\/strong> and God\u2019s infinite Knowing that we sometimes must simply trust that \u2014 even though we do not understand \u2014 the the Holy Spirit is on the move. The same Holy Spirit who so often confounds us by saving the \u201cunlikeliest\u201d of people, or reaching into and turning a heart in ways our understanding (and our attachment to letters-of-law) cannot quite <em>get<\/em>. We dislike it when a politician committed to a pro-abortion platform publicly receives Holy Communion but we have no idea how Christ, in Flesh and Blood, may be working on that person. We know the law; we know what we think. But we cannot know what is happening, supernaturally, within that exchange \u2014 in the power of that absolute, darkness-overcoming-Light received in that Communion, or its effects over time on a soul with whom God is not finished.<\/p>\n<p>As he was is not finished with any of us.<\/p>\n<p>In that chasm of unknowing is where the miracles happen. And knowing that should cue us toward humility for all we do <em>not<\/em> know, no matter how much we do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Are we in an \u201canti-Catholic\u201d moment?<\/strong> I dunno. The world is supposed to hate us, if we\u2019re doing the thing right, and sometimes the hate is completely unwarranted, and other times our imperfect, flawed selves tempt it, all unwittingly.  In either case, we\u2019re supposed to respond to that hate with, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/theanchoress\/2006\/05\/25\/madonna-and-dvc-and-why-i-dont-care\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>in ways the world would not:<\/strong><\/a><br>\n<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The job of the Christian is to hold fast in the face of chaos and recall that Christ is more powerful than any man or media \u2014 that darkness does not overcome light. To be honest, all the fretting from us Christians is a bit unseemly. If we are secure in what we believe, [nothing takes] us down, no matter how perverse and offensive, because Christ is alive, and Grace abounds, and because\u2013 just as an Abbess or Abbot is entitled to use whatever resources his or her community contains to advance the stability of the abbey \u2014 the Holy Spirit has a way of confounding us by using <em>what is out there in the world<\/em> to do the will of the One.<\/p>\n<p>Pray for those who hate us. There is power there. [. . .] This is why sometimes stillness and silence and even retreat is so important. If we Christians do not occasionally step out of the whirlwind, if we do not remove ourselves from the day-in, day-out noise and craziness of the world . . .we tend to get caught up, to forget that half of what is assailing our senses is strictly illusory and the other half is only semi-important. We start hyper-ventilating about every insult, we start wringing our hands about conspiracies. All of which flies in the face of faith, and grace and trust.<\/p>\n<p>Don\u2019t get distracted. Don\u2019t get over-involved in the whirl, and leave the wind to the Holy Spirit. There are angels and demons in the whirlwind; let \u2018em battle it out. Observation is valuable; so is reflection. Most valuable of all is prayer and contemplation and communion. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We probably <em>are<\/em> in something of an \u201canti-Catholic moment.\u201d But it\u2019s not the first one, and it won\u2019t be the last. Don\u2019t get hooked into the daily chaos; don\u2019t buy into the force out there that wants to tempt us away from reason and into group hysterics \u2014 regardless of the topic \u2014 none of it is of God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Related:<\/strong><br>\n<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.adw.org\/2011\/09\/catholic-orthodoxy-is-not-bigotry-a-response-to-the-hate-filled-comments-received-by-a-catholic-blogger\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Msgr. Charles Pope<\/a><\/strong><br>\n<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/datechguyblog.com\/2011\/09\/19\/perez-hilton-vs-catholic-mom-stacy-trasancos\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">DaTechGuy<\/a><\/strong><br>\n<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/abbey-roads.blogspot.com\/2011\/09\/faith-in-action.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Abbey-Roads<\/a>:<\/strong><br>\n<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shirtofflame.blogspot.com\/2011\/09\/am-i-my-gay-brothers-keeper.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Heather King<\/a><\/strong><br>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com\/2011\/09\/this-statement-is-not-bigotry-public.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>Fr. Ryan<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Start here with Robert Royal\u2019s piece on the \u201canti-Catholic moment\u201d Are we living in one? Maybe. But I\u2019ll get back to that, later. The hatemail and disgusting threats being made against Stacy Trasancos are reprehensible and cannot be justified. They can\u2019t. Don\u2019t try. 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