{"id":42769,"date":"2013-01-31T08:02:50","date_gmt":"2013-01-31T08:02:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/?p=42769"},"modified":"2017-03-02T21:03:51","modified_gmt":"2017-03-02T21:03:51","slug":"confronting-the-voris-issue-with-spot-on-charity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2013\/01\/31\/confronting-the-voris-issue-with-spot-on-charity\/","title":{"rendered":"Confronting the Voris issue with Spot-on Charity"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/7\/2013\/01\/voris.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/7\/2013\/01\/voris.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"275\" height=\"183\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-42771\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Because time doesn\u2019t permit,<\/strong> and because my interests don\u2019t really ride there, I rarely write about anything touching on Michael Voris \u2014 I think the Church Militant needs to be balanced with Mercy in just the same way the Church Triumphant needs to balance with Humility, but I have enough trouble minding my own soul to get exercised about either gang. Occasionally, a Voris story blips across my awareness and then I\u2019ll either <a href=\"http:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/onthesquare\/2010\/10\/no-purges-in-the-family\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">argue against purges in the family<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2011\/08\/18\/the-voris-brouhaha\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">defend him<\/a>, if I think he needs <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2012\/05\/23\/catholics-talking-homosexuality-without-sentimentality\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">defending.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Recently Calah Alexander let lose with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/barefootandpregnant\/2013\/01\/really-michael-voris.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">an uncharacteristic rant<\/a> on Voris, and while no one gainsays her right to do that (and she made some sound points) today, having digested Pope Benedict\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/benedict_xvi\/messages\/communications\/documents\/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20130124_47th-world-communications-day_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">recent letter to Catholics in New Media<\/a>, she reassessed her post and made <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/barefootandpregnant\/2013\/01\/mea-culpa-michael-voris-leah-libresco-and-giving-scandal-in-social-media.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">a classy mea culpa<\/a>: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the post, I couched my rant in terms of \u201cthis is really a public service announcement, you know, just so that non-Catholics don\u2019t think we\u2019re really this deranged.\u201d That was completely disingenuous, and not even cleverly so. It was a weak excuse to foam at the mouth, throw someone under the bus, and stir up a hornet\u2019s nest. I don\u2019t actually know if that was a consciously-formed intention, but I sure did refresh the combox gleefully that afternoon. I was even disappointed that there weren\u2019t more angry commenters.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sure that Michael Voris didn\u2019t see that post, but if he had, it would have had the same effect as walking up to him on the street and spitting in his face. I made no coherent argument. There was no true concern and not the slightest hint of charity. I do think he was wrong. The video did upset me. The mature, charitable, Christian thing to do would have been to write a post laying out an argument, pointing out errors, and attempting to open up a dialogue. Instead, I laid on the virtual floor and kicked and screamed like my toddler sometimes does. She gets sent to time-out for that, and has to come back and apologize.<\/p>\n<p>So this is is me, coming back and apologizing. In no way did anything I wrote in that post contribute to fruitful dialogue in this virtual reality. I do think that video is wrong on so many levels, but throwing a public hissy fit about it only caused more division, strife, and anger-the very things I was upset about Michael Voris doing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>This is really well-done of Calah,<\/strong> and I urge you to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/barefootandpregnant\/2013\/01\/mea-culpa-michael-voris-leah-libresco-and-giving-scandal-in-social-media.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">read it all<\/a>, but then I urge you to further check out another piece on Voris \u2014 the link was left in the comments section at Calah\u2019s post \u2014 that is spot-on in articulating precisely what it is about Voris\u2019 militancy that so many find troubling, but <a href=\"http:\/\/catholicinbrooklyn.blogspot.com\/2013\/01\/michael-voris-spiritual-warrior-or.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">manages to do it with admirable grace and charity<\/a>, and is all the more powerful, because the author does admire him, but to a point.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We should never refer to any human being as \u201cdead branches\u201d as Michael Voris has done.  That is the equivalent of condemning a person to hell.  The only one who can make that judgment is God.  Only God knows the state of a person\u2019s soul and what they are capable of.  We know that the greatest enemies of the Church can sometimes become our biggest saints, as in the case of St. Paul, who was actually killing Christians before he repented.  We need to be in prayer for the souls of those whom we think have gone off the track. [. . .] Michael Voris is talking about priests and bishops \u2013 men ordained by the Holy Spirit \u2013 when he says they are dead branches who should be \u201ccut off and become fuel for the fire.\u201d  Michael might do well to look at the story of David and Saul.  Saul was anointed the first king of Israel and was a total failure at it.  David was then chosen to replace him, and Saul reacted by trying to have David killed.  At one point David had a chance to kill his mortal enemy, Saul, and David was urged to do so by his men.  But David\u2019s answer to this was, \u201cThe Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord\u2019s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Our Catholic bishops and priests have been specially ordained by God.  We have no right in making any judgments about their souls and hoping for the day that \u201cthey are cut off and become fuel for the fire.\u201d  We certainly need to call them out when they are disobedient to the Church, but we must never, never rejoice in their destruction.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catholicinbrooklyn.blogspot.com\/2013\/01\/michael-voris-spiritual-warrior-or.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Read the whole thing<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Catholics are spending <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2010\/10\/26\/catholic-blogs-charity\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">way too much time tearing each other down<\/a>,<\/strong> venting at each other about who is reflecting a more perfect sort of Catholicism \u2014 you can find evidence of it all over the internet. I\u2019m sure I\u2019ve flung my arrows, too, although as a rule I don\u2019t have much to say about other bloggers, because I think everyone\u2019s entitled to their own work, which should speak for itself. <\/p>\n<p>Still, if we can\u2019t find a way to hang together, we may yet find ourselves \u201changing alone\u201d as Franklin said, and I am increasingly concerned about Corapian cults of personality creeping up around \u201ccelebrity priests\u201d and nuns and even the laity online, and the idolatry such cults unwittingly foment \u2014 and no, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/dp\/1594713421\/?tag=theanchoress-20\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>idolatry is not too strong a word<\/em><\/a>. I recently read (in my email or a combox thread; I can\u2019t recall) someone refer to a layman and a priest as \u201cliving saints\u201d who should be pronounced Doctors of the Church, either immediately or instantly upon their deaths. <\/p>\n<p><strong>Sistah, please!<\/strong> It\u2019s entirely possible that a future saint or two may now reside within New Media but if they\u2019re there, he or she would be the last ones to stand for that sort of adulation. And if there are potential Doctors of the Church herein (and there <em>may<\/em> be) they\u2019ll be the ones presenting a knowledgeable and balanced teaching of the wholeness and totality of Catholicism, without rants or obsessions\u2026.which narrows the field greatly. <\/p>\n<p>And totally shuts me out! :-) <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Because time doesn\u2019t permit, and because my interests don\u2019t really ride there, I rarely write about anything touching on Michael Voris \u2014 I think the Church Militant needs to be balanced with Mercy in just the same way the Church Triumphant needs to balance with Humility, but I have enough trouble minding my own soul 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