{"id":679,"date":"2010-10-18T17:50:00","date_gmt":"2010-10-18T17:50:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theatheistrabbi\/2010\/10\/morality-apes-and-religion.html"},"modified":"2010-10-18T17:50:00","modified_gmt":"2010-10-18T17:50:00","slug":"morality-apes-and-religion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theatheistrabbi\/2010\/10\/morality-apes-and-religion.html","title":{"rendered":"Morality, Apes, And Religion"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>
Frans de Waal is a primatologist who has written about the moral instincts in our fellow primates and other mammals.\u00a0 I\u2019ve read his books, Our Inner Ape<\/i> and The Age of Empathy<\/i>.<\/span><\/div>\n
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\nIn yesterday\u2019s <\/span>New York Times Online<\/span><\/i> he has a very interesting piece about human and primate morality<\/span><\/a>:<\/div>\n
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\u2026I am wary of anyone whose belief system is the only thing standing between them and repulsive behavior. Why not assume that our humanity, including the self-control needed for livable societies, is built into us? Does anyone truly believe that our ancestors lacked social norms before they had religion? Did they never assist others in need, or complain about an unfair deal? Humans must have worried about the functioning of their communities well before the current religions arose, which is only a few thousand years ago.<\/span><\/div>\n
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The best part of the piece is what I\u2019m not clipping here.\u00a0 He has some great examples of moral behavior among animals.\u00a0 For that alone it\u2019s worth reading.<\/span><\/div>\n
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De Waal is not a religion-basher, though.\u00a0 At the end of the article he touches on the \u201catheist dilemma:\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n
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While I do consider religious institutions and their representatives \u2014 popes, bishops, mega-preachers, ayatollahs, and rabbis \u2014 fair game for criticism, what good could come from insulting individuals who find value in religion? And more pertinently, what alternative does science have to offer? Science is not in the business of spelling out the meaning of life and even less in telling us how to live our lives. We, scientists, are good at finding out why things are the way they are, or how things work, and I do believe that biology can help us understand what kind of animals we are and why our morality looks the way it does. But to go from there to offering moral guidance seems a stretch.<\/span><\/div>\n
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I\u2019ve been in the religion business for a while now.\u00a0 The challenge for me is that I do not see what the majority of religions do as offering objective moral guidance.\u00a0 It seems that the guidance they offer is usually a theological, authority-based form of instruction. \u00a0On the other hand, religious liberals do not base their moral guidance on authoritarian sources. \u00a0I don\u2019t think that my liberal colleagues offer a moral compass that is any different than what their congregants could come up with purely on their own.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Take women\u2019s roles in religion, for instance.\u00a0 In order for liberal Judaism to promote equality for women its leaders had to overcome and dispense with generations of \u201cmoral guidance\u201d about women\u2019s roles.\u00a0 This was moral guidance that, by our modern standards, wasn\u2019t moral at all.\u00a0 It was the influence of changing secular standards that finally brought pressure for change.\u00a0 In fact, its reliance on secularism is precisely the critique brought by Orthodox opponents of egalitarian Judaism.\u00a0 The same is true of approaches to homosexuality.<\/span><\/div>\n
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After de Waal presents another example of primates behaving in a moral way, he writes:<\/span><\/div>\n
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I take these hints of community concern as yet another sign that the building blocks of morality are older than humanity, and that we do not need God to explain how we got where we are today. On the other hand, what would happen if we were able to excise religion from society? I doubt that science and the naturalistic worldview could fill the void and become an inspiration for the good.<\/span><\/div>\n
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What de Waal is missing here is that our goal should not be to excise religion from society, but to excise God from religion!\u00a0 This won\u2019t work for the traditionally religious, but it will work for the non-dogmatic, liberal approaches that are really the only truly moral religious movements in our society.\u00a0 This will allow them to properly re-align with the forces of enlightenment and away from the forces of medievalism with whom they currently share a theistic vocabulary.<\/span><\/div>\n
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How difficult could this be when what\u2019s left of God for these folks is little more than a shadow of the traditional God?\u00a0 The divine is reduced to Tillich\u2019s non-supernatural \u201cGround of Being\u201d or Kaplan\u2019s \u201cprocess that makes for human salvation\u201d or self-fulfillment.\u00a0 This is scarcely the God of Jewish history and hardly deserves to be called a god at all.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Sherwin Wine set out to initiate this when he founded Secular Humanisic Judaism.\u00a0 There is a significant minority of Reform rabbis who are \u201csecret\u201d humanists who would be quite glad to rid themselves of theism if it were politically possible.\u00a0 For the Christians there are people like Bishop John Shelby Spong<\/span><\/a> and his followers who barely need to take any additional steps toward excising God from their religion.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Most dictionaries and people identify the word religion with some kind of faith in the supernatural.\u00a0 The religion \u2013 or whatever we decide to call it \u2013 of the future need not be connected to the irrational and unbelievable.\u00a0 Like Secular Humanistic Judaism and the other very small non-theistic \u201creligions,\u201d they could still be an inspiration for the good simply by convening communities to reflect upon it.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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