'British values' proving 'hostile' to Orthodox Jews in the UK

'British values' proving 'hostile' to Orthodox Jews in the UK June 21, 2018

Orthodox Jews in north London gathered en masse on Tuesday of this week to protest over what they see as a concerted attack by “secularist forces” on Talmud-based education.
According to this report, a huge show of force by around 7,000 was prompted by education authorities insisting that Jewish faith schools must provide an education in line with “British values” that include issues covered by the Equalities Act 2010.
Community leaders used the occasion to warn against “secular forces” that are seen to threaten Orthodox values, after several inspections by Ofsted downgraded Orthodox schools.
Rabbi Dovid Frand, President of the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations, warned of:

Influential secular forces seeking to impinge on our rights. We have all gathered together in prayer in the fervent hope that we can continue to practice and teach our Torah-true values for generations to come.

Representatives from the Stamford Hill-based Jewish Community Council have been among those lobbying for a more lenient Government line on education, in particular the teaching of different sexualities and genders.
JCC founder Levi Schapiro said the gathering was:

Yet another example of our community coming together to show unity on this issue and how serious we are about it.

He said this had “long been a stressful issue,” adding:

We hope that with unity and prayer things will move in the right direction, but it is a sad reality that in modern Britain we need to lobby Government to protect our traditional religious values.

Rabbis at the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations, an umbrella group, took out full-page adverts in newspapers about the mass prayer meeting.
Earlier this month, Jewish representatives told the government that Jews feel caught between “anti-extremism and secularisation” and that the idea of “British values” is seen as “hostile”.
The comments were made in a Jewish Leadership Council (JLC) response to a Government consultation on integration, prompted by a 2016 review by Dame Louise Casey, which highlighted the negative effects of “ethnic concentrations”.
In its response to a Government Green Paper proposing actions to combat “divisiveness”, the JLC said:

Jews feel as if they have been caught between the fight against extremism and the secularisation it has promoted. This is far from ideal and we feel much work is needed to address this.

It added that the term ‘British Values’ also needed to be “unpicked,” saying:

Rightly or wrongly, for many, the term has negative connotations. Many instinctively know what is meant by it but for many, it is a hostile term. Promoting why it is something which defends everyone is crucial to detoxifying the term.

Ofsted inspectors assessing schools’ promotion of “British values” of tolerance and respect for others have highlighted problems at religious schools, whose leaderships refuse to teach pupils about different sexualities or gender identities, a clash acknowledged by Ofsted in its most recent annual report.

Wrote Ofsted Chief Inspector Amanda Spielman, above:

The effective functioning of British society depends on some fundamental shared values as well as a culture of mutual tolerance and respect. We have found an increasing number of conservative religious schools where the legal requirements that set the expectations for shared values and tolerance clash with community expectations. The schools are, therefore, deliberately choosing not to meet these standards.

She said this tension was “leading to the creation of illegal schools that avoid teaching the unifying messages,” which she said was “of great concern”.
Speakers at the mass gathering of mainly black-hatted, bearded men praised Prime Minister Theresa May for her statements about the importance of faith in society, and Frand said:

We thank God that we are privileged to live in a tolerant country with a Government that has repeated pledged to safeguard religion and religious practice.

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  • Broga

    “to safeguard religion and religious practice.” This is Mrs May’s high flown religious verbiage. That must include the mutilation of very young children.

  • H3r3tic

    “We have all gathered together in prayer in the fervent hope that we can continue to practice and teach our Torah-true values for generations to come” – best of luck with that given the efficacy of prayer as demonstrated by double-blind, peer-reviewed studies. On the other hand I’m more than happy for these blinkered fuckwits to indoctrinate their offspring with whatever primitive mumbo-jumbo they see fit, just so long as they pay for it themselves. If they expect funding from the government then they must adhere to standards laid down by the government. I find the subject of Charedi schools appears to have been swept under the carpet when one considers the greater attention given to those indoctrinating UK Muslims, although I accept that there is quite a differential when one considers the number of Jewish and Muslim terrorist attacks in the UK.

  • L.Long

    Hey! Jews! Do like the Puritans did when they could not force their BS onto others…find another country, move there, kill the locals already there and take over!
    What can’t find such a place? Well there is Venus, and you may not have to kill very many to take over!

  • L.Long

    Hey! “…we can continue to practice and teach our Torah-true values for generations to come…..” you are not welcome to teach bigotry and hate against others! Who do you think you are…xtians or muslins!?!?!?

  • Angela_K

    There is a lack of women in that photograph above and I see they are all wearing their trademark uniforms of black hats and I expect some of these loons have boxes strapped to their arms or heads. Just like some Muslims, they have no intention of integrating into British life but want to maintain their privilege of ignoring laws they find inconvenient to their dogmatic belief system and no doubt St Theresa – she of the parliamentary Christian “prayer breakfasts” will indulge them, too many rich Jewish Tory funders to lose.

  • AgentCormac

    ‘We thank God that we are privileged to live in a tolerant country with a Government that has repeated pledged to safeguard religion and religious practice.’
    The irony being that these cavemen are not in the least bit tolerant and have no intention of becoming so.

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    They’re right, we are very hostile to traditional Jewish life and customs. That’s why we stopped them killing animals in a barbaric fashion and stopped them mutilating then genitals of babies! Oh wait, no we didn’t (but we bloody well should).

  • sailor1031

    It is my understanding that these people all have the right to move to Israel, a nation that was specifically created for them. If they insist on staying in the UK it is not unreasonable that the government expects them to become educated for a normal productive life so that they will not become a future liability for the welfare system (as many of them are now).

  • Dianne Leonard

    The same thing is happening in the US,mostly in New York State. One article I read said that the “graduates” of ultra-Orthodox “schools” could barely speak English. Mostly, it’s boys who go to these religious schools, and most of the boys are “expected to be rabbis.” Given that there are few openings for Orthodox rabbis, most of these teenage guys will end up with no jobs, as they have zero job skills. And, of course, girls are brainwashed into being mothers and popping out multiple babies. With no income, these families will endure another generation of poverty.

  • AgentCormac

    I notice that the sign at their rally, shown in the photo at the top of this article, is in Hebrew, not English. That, I believe, tells you everything you need to know.

  • barriejohn

    I find the subject of Charedi schools appears to have been swept under the carpet when one considers the greater attention given to those indoctrinating UK Muslims. (H3r3tic)
    Ditto rabbinical courts (beth din), which have operated for years without attracting attention, and shariah courts.

  • Ben

    Ok then. Let’s ban religious schools outright. No special schools run by Jews for Jews. No Muslim schools for Muslims. All children in the uk to go to secular schools all running the same curriculum, with the same ethos, with the same values with staff vetted and selected to ensure no encroachment of sectarian demands and no sops to religious prohibitions. And get rid of the Governor system that allows the Trojan horse attacks we have seen recently. And get the RCC and the CoE out of our schools too. And if you don’t like it then fuck off to a country where you can expose your children to religious extremism … and loose your rights to all the benefits, privileges, handouts and protection you get here. That’s right, fuck off to a country that is already beggared and retarded by zealous adherence to dangerous divisive dogma.

  • Jim Baerg

    Children should have the right to hear multiple conflicting views, including views that conflict with those of their parents.

  • Jim Baerg

    L. Long: “What can’t find such a place? Well there is Venus, and you may not have to kill very many to take over!”
    Have you seen this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI-old7YI4I

  • RussellW

    Yes, if the UK is so unsympathetic, Orthodox Jews could ‘return’ to Israel. There’s plenty of Palestinian land still available for ‘settlers’ to steal and they could create their own little theocracy.

  • barriejohn

    Children should have the right to hear multiple conflicting views, including views that conflict with those of their parents. (Jim Baerg)
    Well said. It is only those who are wedded to religious and political ideologies who think that any other situation could possibly be healthy or in the best interests of their children.

  • Great Satan

    They don’t like Britain ? – fine – then move to Israel as you have the right of return – but don’t expect any more of USA and Britain’s finest young men to fight for you’re “Greater Israel Project” (aka The Oded Yinon Plan – https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815 ) as we did in Iraq,Libya,Syria and now possibly Iran, and don’t expect taxpayers money or bankster shakedowns to fund it either.
    If they run out of space in Israel, maybe a “New Israel” could be formed in a failed African state such as Zimbabwe – the original Zionists, although they preferred the Israel option, were not that attached to it as they were also considering homelands in Argentina and Madagascar.

  • barriejohn

    Great Satan: Good idea. They could join their brethren, the Lemba tribe of Zimbabwe, who, according to Tudor Parfitt, are descended from the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people
    I’ve mentioned this “Greater Israel” idea before. It is based upon the “promise” which God allegedly made to Abraham:
    “In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates…” then listing all the tribes which were to be dispossessed. (Gen.15:18)
    I know from my experience with the Brethren that evangelical Christians believe that these verses will be literally fulfilled, as do many Jews. American Christians in great numbers believe that all this must take place before Jesus can return to earth to set up his kingdom. Arabs are keenly aware of them as well, which is why they find it almost impossible to tolerate the existence of a Jewish state in their midst, especially a nuclear power funded and militarily supported by the United States of America. The ludicrous Balfour Declaration should have been thrown on the fire in 1917!

  • Maggie

    May only blabs on about “faith” for the votes!

  • Great Satan

    Barrie John – yes – they’ve even prepared an integration manual to go with it ! ; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Every-Black-Woman-Should-Jewish/dp/1490341978

  • barriejohn

    Great Satan: “Thought-provoking”, indeed, but not quite in the way that they imagine!
    As an addendum to my previous comment, John Bolton has threatened nations like Britain over his (i.e. “Donald Trump’s”) plans for Iran:
    “I think the Europeans will see that it’s in their interest ultimately to go along with us.”
    https://thinkprogress.org/bolton-threatens-allies-with-sanctions-over-iran-27e6875e28d4/
    I simply couldn’t believe it when I heard that this man was back in the White House. Be very afraid.

  • John

    “British values” are seen as “hostile”.
    That says it all – for me.
    Let them all migrate to the USA.
    It’s where they all want to be, anyway.
    None of them want to go to Israel.

  • 1859

    They want the rest of us to ‘tolerate’ their way of life. Yet they show not one iota of ‘tolerance’ towards other ways of living. What they really want is to be left to exist outside the laws and customs of the free and fair society that surrounds and protects them. Left to exist and psychologically damage generation after generation of innocent children, so that their kids grow up with their heads full of the same insanity as their parents – the carousel of religious madness.