Angry anti-vaxxers reportedly ‘lose their minds’ in NY’s state Capitol

Angry anti-vaxxers reportedly ‘lose their minds’ in NY’s state Capitol June 16, 2019

Assemblyman Jeffrey Dinowitz, above, was  screamed at, threatened and even called a ‘motherfucker’ for sponsoring a bill aimed at ending New York’s policy of allowing religious exemptions from vaccine requirements.

Amidst chaotic scenes on Friday in the state Capitol both houses of legislature – and eventually Governor Andrew Cuomo — passed a bill that banned the exemptions.

According to The New York Post, which carried the headline “Anti-vaxxers lose minds after religious exemption bill gets pushed through”, one man in Orthodox Jewish garb, who was fuming in the gallery with others – many of whom had children with them – yelled at Dinowitz:

We’ll be back for you Jeffrey!

“Motherfucker!” screamed another, “Shame!

According to this report, a group called Parents Against Vaccinations were involved in the protest. One woman said:

The government does not have the right to interfere with my personal religious beliefs. We will not vaccinate. What’s going to happen is we’re going to either home school or we’re going to move out of state.

The lawmaker said he was disappointed by the hooliganism exhibited in the Assembly chamber but was said he was hopeful that the anti-vaxxers would “calm down” and:

Be a little more civilized. I don’t ever remember in all my years here, the screaming in the Assembly chamber and the disruption in the Assembly chamber – people yell and scream outside and that’s fine, that’s fine – but the disrespect, not to me … Forget me … to the institution, to all the members of the state … was frankly a disgrace.

He added:

And these are the religious people?! Shame on them. Shame on them.

Dinowitz and other lawmakers remained calm during the mayhem, but were on edge as they recessed for the day.

Dinowitz said afterward:

I’m sure the hallways are very dangerous for me right now. I think it’s very sad that people who are up here in the name of religion were acting anything but. Judging by the way some people behaved and judging by the threats that we heard from some people, it would be prudent to exercise some caution.

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Cuomo, above, wound up signing the bill into law just hours later. He said in a statement:

The science is crystal clear: Vaccines are safe, effective and the best way to keep our children safe. This administration has taken aggressive action to contain the measles outbreak, but given its scale, additional steps are needed to end this public health crisis.

The vaccine problem was witnessed first-hand on Thursday at two schools in Williamsburg, which had to be closed by the Health Department for allowing dozens of unvaccinated students to attend classes, according to officials. Williamsburg is inhabited by tens of thousands of Hasidic Jews of varying stripes.

Cuomo said that while he understands and respects the right to freedom of religion:

Our first job is to protect the public health and by signing this measure into law, we will help prevent further transmissions and stop this outbreak right in its tracks.

Dinowitz’s bill had been approved by the Democrat-led Assembly by a 77-53 vote, though the tally was unofficial. The legislation will end non-medical exemptions for vaccines statewide.

Dinowitz explained:

This bill was never about religion it was about public health, as I said on the floor. It’s going to protect children’s health and we’ll never know which children don’t catch a terrible disease, but we know for this bill it will protect children.

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  • Har Davids

    If some of these people will do as they say, they’ll all end up in some remote area where their kind of stupidity will be the norm. And they will NOT live happily ever after if their natural immunity doesn’t work. Progress!!

  • Cozmo the Magician

    Stupidy: Its not just for Florida anymore.

    sigh.. At least these nuts are in the minority here in NYS and the government wont cave into them.

  • Donny Darkoh

    It is “My Body My Choice” with abortion. But “State’s body State’s Choice” with vaccines. They get to decide to opt your kid in for eighty shots before they reach age 17, including Hep B shots, ineffective Flu shots, and non-contagious pneumonococcal shots. If your kid gets injured, it isn’t anyone’s problem but your’s because vaccine companies have legal immunity.

  • Donny Darkoh

    Enjoy your autism. 1 in 54 kids now autistic when that was 0 in 54 before vaccines. Thanks for advocating ruined lives.

  • Michael Neville

    Vaccines have nothing to do with autism. It’s only stup‍id, ignor‍ant idi‍ots who have that sil‍ly notion. So take your know-nothing lud‍dism and stic‍k it where the Sun don’t shine.

  • Cozmo the Magician

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  • Cozmo the Magician

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  • Michael Neville

    Please take your ignor‍ant, hate‍ful, stup‍id ludd‍ism and bother people who might buy the bull‍shit you’re trying to sell. Because we’re not the dumb‍fucks that you seem to think we might be.

    EDITED because while trying to get around the Naughty Word™ filter I forgot to finish one word.

  • zenlike

    Except it isn’t your body. It is your child’s body. You don’t own your child.

  • Michael Neville

    Which vaccines are you talking about? Edward Jenner inoculated James Phipps with cowpox serum on May 14, 1796. What was the autism rate in 1795?

  • frostysnowman

    Vaccines are a public health issue. It’s not the same as abortion.

  • frostysnowman

    There is no link between vaccines and autism.

  • anxionnat

    Back in the mid-1930s, when my mom was in Teachers’ College in Connecticut, one of her classmates was a woman who had survived smallpox and had terrible scars on her face. My siblings and I got vaccinated for smallpox in the 1950s and 1960s, Smallpox doesn’t exist anymore. My generation was the “polio kids.” Does anybody else remember polio and the vaccination campaign? One of our next door neighbors had a small son who had died of polio. A woman down the street had contracted polio in her mid-30s. She, and the mom and dad of that little boy who died, went up and down our street, encouraging people to get the polio vaccine. Everyone on our street was vaccinated. The little boy’s parents stood near the door to the room where vaccinations were given. The little boy’s mother had tears streaming down her face as people came to be vaccinated in memory of her young son who had died.When the vaccination campaign was over, President Johnson spoke to the nation, saying that the terrible scourge of polio would never again ravage the nation. Church bells rang, factory whistles blew, and our block organized a spontaneous potluck in the middle of the street. The feeling of everyone was relief. The kids were glad they could now learn to swim, as polio was carried through water and parents had kept kids away to protect them. I know a number of polio survivors. and–huge news!–there are now only a few people who need to live in iron lungs. I remember seeing whole wards of iron lungs, most filled with kids. SO DON’T YOU DARE TELL ME THAT VACCINES DON’T SAVE LIVES!!!

  • Ann Kah

    I can make up numbers too, but I don’t need to because the facts are clear. “Autism” wasn’t recognized by that name back in the pre-vaccine day’s, and study after study has shown there to be no connection between autism and vaccines.

    I know, I know, we live in the days of “fake news”, but I grew up in the pre-vaccine days …and would be insane to want to return to the time of widespread illness when there is a solution for that.

  • Ann Kah

    Troll. Go away.

  • Ann Kah

    When the polio vaccine became available when I was in high school, my whole family went. The line stretched down the block. As for measles, mumps, whooping cough …I had all the diseases. I would gladly have skipped them if a vaccine had been available in my childhood.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    Because vaccines are a public health issue, ‌dipshit.

    Because it isn’t your body, it’s your child’s body, and your child isn’t even old enough to comprehend the consequences, you s‌tupid ‌bastard.

    Vaccine is not the same as abortion. And don’t ask me where I get this feeling from, but I just do: I don’t think you support abortion rights, either. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be making this comparison between something you support and something you so clearly do not. So take your gotcha garbage post somewhere else, you ‌stupid ‌fucking we‌apon.

  • anxionnat

    Yes. I was in 6th grade. We need to tell our stories. We need to keep the memory of those horrors alive so that people know what happened. Many doctors have never seen a case of polio, or those other terrible diseases. I never had whooping cough, but I remember my mom’s horrific description of kids struggling to breathe. Never again!

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    So people who have au‌tism have ruined lives now? That’s some mighty fine ablism out of you, you ‌fucking bigot. I’m sure you think g‌ay people and tra‌nsgender people have ruined lives because because they’re different too, don’t you?

    Furthermore, reports of au‌tism existed before vaccination. Hugh Blair of Brouge was au‌tistic, and he was a live in 1747, and the wild boy of Averyon in 1789 displayed traits associated with au‌tism. So you’re absolutely wrong. Thinks for advocating bull‌shit that gets people killed, ‌asshole.

  • LimeGecko

    The scary and sad part is this strain of vaccine paranoia is going global. This could lead to the worldwide return of polio, since vaccine resistance is getting stronger in some of the few places it hadn’t been eliminated yet. You add to this the risk that healthcare workers face to their lives going into areas of armed conflict or instability, and terrible diseases are going to return to a lot of innocent little kids. And it won’t stay on those distant shores. Measles has nothing on polio. :/

  • LimeGecko

    Your child’s body is not yours. Yes, you can refuse any medical treatment you want, but you will be quarantined in a local breakout. Your kids will be unable to attend school.

  • Michael Neville

    I’m on the autism spectrum. I’m a retired accounting manager with an MBA, I was married for over 40 years to the same woman before she died, and I’ve raised an intelligent daughter who’s like me, autistic and an accountant.

    I have the strong suspicion that Donny Darkoh confuses autism with men‍tal retard‍ation. Many people spouting nonsens‍e about autism make that mistake.

  • Broga

    “I think it’s very sad that people who are up here in the name of religion were acting anything but.”

    Or perhaps they were acting in accordance with their usual means of forcing their opinions on anyone who disagrees: threats, shouting, incandescent with rage and vowing vengeance. Science has no validity for them in the face of what they have been indoctrinated into believing. They cannot offer evidence, facts or rational arguments as they have none.

  • You are either a liar or stupid or both.

  • Donny Darkoh

    We all know who the lying corrupt scum are. They’re politicians taking money from Big Pharma

  • Donny Darkoh

    So either I must inject my kid per State requirements, or become the State’s agent to homeschool them per State requirements. Sounds like a police State to me!

  • Donny Darkoh

    YES. They are RUINED!! My brother goes #2 on my mom’s floor every night. He is 35. He cannot speak, he hates life, he spins, he’s in pain. His life is RUINED, and it is the fault of DRUG COMPANIES and the TROLLS LIKE YOU. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RUINING PEOPLE’S LIVES. HOPE YOU SUFFER SERIOUS KARMA!!!!

  • Donny Darkoh

    It is the STATE’S BODY NOW!!!!! Founding fathers rolling in their graves!!! Bolshevick Russia and Communist China applaud you!

  • Donny Darkoh

    Look it up! Research! Obviously you do not know the facts. 1 in 54 children.

  • Donny Darkoh

    Then why didn’t the unvaccinated Amish or the ultra-orthodox have autism before they were TARGETED by MERCK??

  • Random_Lurker
  • Jim Jones

    It’s your mother’s fault for cr‌app‌ing out this failure.

  • Jim Jones

    > My generation was the “polio kids.” Does anybody else remember polio and the vaccination campaign?

    I lived through it. It was going to bankrupt the country. Thank you, Jonas Salk.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b340f40ab966eea73e91796c806a85784f8b91c74e76f4ab8a6fb17844aa62d0.jpg

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Your obvious anger is sorely misplaced. There is no link between vaccines and autism. None. The “physician” who first made the claim did not follow proper methods in his research and when it was reviewed by peers in the field it was found to have no valid conclusions following from the data. His ego and lack of ethical standards prevented him from accepting the rebuke of every other expert in the field so he proceeded to push his false narrative on social media where folks like you found out about it, “liked” it and passed it on to all of your followers. The “physician” was then s​tripped of his license to practice medicine and now relies on those gullible enough who trust Facebook more than WebMD for their healthcare decisions thus supplementing his income and keeping him relevant in the cybersphere.

    Conspiracy advocates then ramped-up the myth of vaccines and autism, using anecdotal stories that drew in the less informed, fence-sitters, and easily manipulated. They then demonized the easily hated pharmaceutical conglomerates as being part and parcel to hiding the “truth” of autism being caused by vaccines and we were off to the races, in a society now more influenced by what ‘some people say’ than in actually reading the ever-increasing, overwhelming consensus of independent, peer-reviewed, clinical evidence.

    This is where you are now. You are literally foaming at the mouth at us rather than listening and learning. You aren’t interested in hearing any credible facts or evidence that doesn’t feed into your preconceived bias. You “know” you are right and you are angry at anyone and everyone who tells you different. You have spent hours on the internet seeking out “evidence” that prove your hypothesis and ignoring any that says otherwise.

    This is no way to go through life, especially when it endangers not only your children but the lives of those who have no immunity and can’t be vaccinated due to medical reasons. Vaccines have made healthy life on this planet infinitely better but they only work when everyone is vaccinated. If you favor a global pandemic then by all means don’t vaccinate. But if you are in any way a compassionate, empathetic, pragmatic and intelligent human being, do the right thing.

  • Donny Darkoh

    It is the State’s fault for ruining a beautiful intelligent male child. Rule by corrupt morons who believe drug company propaganda

  • frostysnowman

    Yeah, that’s not a thing. There’s no link between vaccines and austism.

  • Michael Neville

    So what’s your evidence that your brother’s condition was caused by vaccinations? Be specific and cite peer-reviewed papers that show that your brother, who sounds more like he’s men‍tally ret‍arded than autistic, has a condition caused by vaccines.

    Oh that’s right, you can’t. You don’t know what caused your brother’s condition so you’ve decided, based on your own ignor‍ance, that it was vaccinations that did it. I’m sorry to hear about your brother’s condition. I’m not sorry that you’re so bias‍ed and stu‍pid that you think vaccinations have anything to do with your brother.

  • Michael Neville

    It’s your claim so it’s up to you to provide (here’s the word that you anti-vaxxers hate and fear even more than modern medicine) evidence to support your non‍sense.

  • phatkhat

    Have we researched all the dyes, unpronounceable ingredients, hydrogenated oils, HFCs, artificial flavors, sweeteners, etc., and their possible connection to autism? I would suspect some of those a lot more than vaccines! I also grew up in the days of polio, and I would NEVER want to go back to those days.

  • phatkhat

    Big pharma would make a whole lot more money making medicines to treat the diseases than making vaccines. Use your head – if you can.

  • phatkhat

    You sound like Donny Trump with the idiotic hyperbolic language.

  • Ann Kah

    Ooh, exclamation points. It must be true. But seriously, Donny, you are comparing full-blown autism with the much more recently and more commonly defined “autism spectrum disorder”, which was generally referred to in my youth as “shy”. Get a grip.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Risk factors during pregnancy include certain infections, such as rubella…”
    “Controversies surround other proposed environmental causes; for example, the vaccine hypothesis, which has been disproven.

    If you don’t like what Wikipedia says, you are free to update it, but be aware that you’ll need to defend the changes with evidence. Not nervous-Nellie hand-wringing and exclamation points, but real references to real studies.

  • phatkhat

    Yes. I remember, too. This was all too real.

  • Ann Kah

    He has problems that could never be alleviated in any way by causing the illness and death of other children. Vaccines didn’t cause it, and denying vaccines to others can never cure it. You seem to belong to that class of people (looking at you, Republicans) who think that it is more important to ascribe blame than it is to remedy a situation.

    Anti-vaxx is just pure selfishness.

  • LimeGecko

    Government requires children be educated because without an education they will be unemployable.

  • Odd Exonerated Oranges

    Look it up! Do the research!

    The rallying cry of the blunt crayon brigade.

  • Zetopan

    Uneducated children are far more likely to grow up to be just as ignorant as you.

  • Talos2264

    The delusions of a fool. Well Donny i don’t want me three week old daughter getting measles, and other horrible diseases while we wait to get her vaccinated. I trust science and medicine not foolish ideas.

  • ZebedeeJumps

    Ah, a male child?
    So, ruining a beautiful intelligent female child would be OK?
    Are you, perchance, a home schooled evangelical?

  • ZebedeeJumps

    Oh, you guys are so much nicer than I am! You are right, of course, but I admire your ability to respond without just getting irate. I just cannot deal with these anti-science internet Uni types.

    “problems that could never be alleviated in any way by causing the illness and death of other children” and “denying vaccines to others can never cure it” are spot on. I wish I had been able to put it so well! Thanks for your succinctness, can I steal your words please?

  • Michael

    “The government does not have the right to interfere with my personal religious beliefs.”

    Your personal religious beliefs don’t have any right to interfere with my health, or anyone else’s.

  • Michael

    The state passing laws and enforcing them = a police state?

    You don’t actually believe this.

  • anxionnat

    Hi, one random lurker from another. I’ve been to some of those old graveyards, and the headstones are like the one you posted a picture of. Over and over and over–moms and kids dying before their time. I believe that vaccination is the greatest invention of the 20th century. Period. Full stop. People who have never seen children and adults in the throes of a terrible disease aren’t qualified to open their yaps on this one. Please, please, people who remember–tell your stories, as some people have done here. I will remember, my nieces and nephew will remember from me. These stories are painful to remember, and painful to tell, but, oh so necessary. I can’t imagine what might happen if those of us who *do* remember all died off and nobody had heard our stories. Never again!

  • ZebedeeJumps

    I was born in 78, I got the “sugar lump” as a reward for being good while I had the jabs… I was about 3, and was horrified that the doctors would trick me with a delicious sugar lump that was actually disgusting! But, though polio wasn’t a big threat for people my age, we all knew someone who had had it. There was no debate about getting the vaccine – much like when we all lined up to get the BCG for TB ten years later, about 1991-2. I think they stopped making it compulsory for some time, and then TB started to spread again. Mainly in immigrant communities, who had never known about it. Not their fault, of course, and they should have been advised better than they were, but the compulsory school immunisation program should have also continued.

    (Also, from my school experience of immigrant families, not a single one tried to get out of vaccines for TB, MMR etc. For me, they were mainly Pakistani or Eastern European families, and they were delighted to have the vaccines, no reservations at all, they’d seen the damage diseases cause!) but of course different communities have different ideas, and many of the newer communities were established when TB was “wiped out” in the UK; very hard to integrate people while telling them they are bringing disease to the country – somehow, our plans of helping people become part of a community failed.

    It’s a very hard thing to welcome people into your country without making it sound like you think they have cooties – but also, knowing you need to give them appropriate healthcare! I’m trying to not blame the people in charge of immigration etc, but I really find it hard – I think they had OK intentions, which to be generous, I assume is why TB vax etc weren’t made a condition of residency – but none of them ever bothered to talk to people from the relevant backgrounds, so they had no idea what to advise the new citizens to do. They just kind of assumed that because we had a compulsory TB vax, that every new citizen would have, or that it would be racist to insist on a TB, MMR etc. All extremely confused, whether you give the benefit of the doubt or not. (Of course, this is still 2 decades before the rise of the anti-immigrant populist parties, who don’t even pretend to care about anything except white anglo-saxon heritage…)

    Now I live abroad, and have no kids, so I don’t know what the standard is these days – hopefully, there is an extensive education and vaccination program in place. I know we kids were terrified of tetanus (country kids) and most of us had great uncles/aunts we never knew, thanks to measles. I was lucky, my great uncle was “just” nearly blinded by measles. He also got mumps as a young man, and never had children. I got mumps when I was 10, it was the most miserable 3 weeks of my life, worse even than the week of chicken pox (and if there’d been a vaccine for that, my mum would’ve made us have it – now it’s a case of trying to always be ahead of shingles.)

  • Phil Rimmer

    Autism is documented back through history and is only now being recognised for what it was. It has a notable genetic component.

  • Phil Rimmer

    I’m sorry to hear this but no-one caused this to happen. Causing other children to die in the mistaken belief you will save others from your brothers fate is a grim addition of insult to a natural injury.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    STATE’S BODY NOW

    I’ll take “breathless and clueless hyperbole” for $200, Alex.

    Founding fathers rolling in their graves

    Why? It’s the states doing this, not the federal government. I doubt they’d have cared. In fact, many of them would’ve supported it, especially given the tact the federal government has taken towards it (i.e., “hands off.”) Of course, you don’t know the first thing about what those men want, you just know how to waste everyone’s time screaming lies into the ether.

    Bolshevick Russia and Communist China applaud you!

    Darling, it’s spelled “Bolshevik.” Take a moment to breathe; inhale deeply, exhale, and then type. You’ll look less like a clueless dolt that way.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    Needs Moar Caps. I don’t think I can take you seriously without more caps, to be honest.

  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    Being entirely fair, they only use blunt crayons because the sharp ones fit up their noses easier.

  • Jim Baerg

    Religious exemptions for *anything* are wrong.
    I would put the burden of proof that an (in)action causes significant harm on those who would have a law on those requiring or forbidding the action. Objecting on the basis of religious belief makes that burden NO higher than objecting on the basis of personal preference.
    In the case of vaccinations the burden of proof that harm comes from not vaccinating has been met.

  • Phil Rimmer

    Look, your understanding of matters medical is impoverished to say the least…

    If I were a scientist looking for a miracle-thinking-cure to experiment with, I’d probably start with detox techniques like drinking blueberry smoothies since everyone seems to be exposed to fluoride and toxins. I might also look at trace minerals that seem to help neurons regenerate, like copper or zinc, though I’d be very careful with supplementing since copper can be toxic. Maybe I’d experiment with an herb that has an affinity for copper like tumeric (sic).

    Your ability to understand what is going on in your brother’s brain is clearly not to be trusted.

    You do know that there is a world outside the USA where the same drug regimes are not employed yet those ASD statistics are quite as bad?

  • se habla espol

    Second try to get past the censor:

    Zero in 54 before vac‍cines? Can you not cou‍nt or are you just ly‍ing? My au‍tism became app‍arent before I was old enough for the only vac‍cinations avai‍lable at the time‍, DP‍T and Small‍pox. Who are you trying to k‍ill and ma‍im with your propa‍ganda?

  • Random_Lurker

    The one in the picture was from a flu epidemic IIRC.

  • se habla espol

    Yes, in some jurisdictions, with overly sensitive counting of autistic people, we have found about that many,regardless of their immunization status. Which propaganda mill do you suggest for research? I prefer real epidemiological research, the valid information, but YMMV. I have no interest in the anti-vax induistry’s propaganda, though: I’ve seen too much of it already.

  • anxionnat

    I am sorry to hear about your brother.I guess it is difficult to speak or write about your brother, just as I find it difficult to speak or write about mine. He is 67, a year older than I. He has brain damage because the birth cord wrapped around his neck when he was being born. He is blind because, back in the late 1940s and early 1950s,incubators had an oxygen level that was too high and the preemies ended up with the retina in their eyes totally destroyed.My parents knew many other blind children (now older adults like my brother.) Of course, my folks didn’t just complain and blame others. They took their sorrow and anger into action. (My parents were both children of labor organizers.) My state of California was one of the first to pass a bill that guaranteed public education for children with disabilities. That was what was available at the time. My parents went to Sacramento every weekday for a couple of months to lobby Assembly and Senate representatives and the Governor. Every year, during the summer, my parents and I went to School Board meetings, because I have an orthopoedic disability. My parents and I presented evidence that I was doing well in regular classes. Without the School Board’s OK, I would have been relegated to substandard education–if I was educated at all. I remember one guy on the School Board who thought that kids with disabilities were “icky” (yes, he did use that word) and that his kids shouldn’t be exposed to us. My brother, of course, was not able to function in regular classrooms. When he turned 18, mom and dad found placement for him in several board-and-care situations. He has been in his current one for over 20 years, and so far is doing well. My parents went each month to visit my older brother, and another brother and sister took over the task when my parents died. Places that disabled people live can be good or bad, but having the family around encourages care providers in their work, as it relates to my brother. What *can’t* my brother do? Walk with a cane (he likes slinging it around and probably has fun poking others with it), get dental work done without a general anaesthetic, speak much (he will sometimes echo other’s words, but his self-generated speech is called “word salad.”) Before, when he was young, he could not be toilet trained, nor could he walk. Today, both of those things are different, thanks to the family and the caregivers.
    Please, sir, do not give up on your brother! I understand (none better ) how difficult that is. Please ask for help. DEMAND help. Look for others in your community who can join with you and informally trouble-shoot. Your brother is a person, not just a diagnosis, not just a problem. Sharing your concerns with others can allow you and your family to decompress occasionally. Your brother’s habits are clearly awful to you and your mother. But do not blame your brother’s condition on others, on vaccinations and Big Pharma. That is taking the coward’s cop-out. You and your family are strong, or your brother wouldn’t have lived as long as he has. Your love and your mom’s love and commitment can make a huge difference to your brother and his life. Please. All of my thoughts go out to you on this Father’s Day. I consider all of those fathers and mothers and siblings who lived through difficult situations like yours and mine to be heroes and heroines.

  • Illithid

    I just got boosters of T-DAP and MMR, as well as being finally old enough, shingles vaccine. Wish I could have skipped getting chicken pox, but there wasn’t a vaccine for that then.

    Anti-vaxxers don’t seem to have memories, or study recent history.

  • Kevin R. Cross

    The problem being, of course, that they did.
    This particular lie has been circulating for a couple of years now. It’s based on a bad preconception of Amish belief and life, that they reject modern way in their entirety. The vast majority of Amish do not do that, they only reject what they consider to be obstacles to a godly life.
    Modern medicine, in general, is not rejected.
    Amish communities are protective of their privacy, and most do not make their medical records public. Those that have show exactly the same rates of Autism among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

  • Kevin R. Cross

    Yes, he does. It’s a standard of the anti-vaxxer subgroup of humanity – the ability to believe any sort of insanity that happens to catch his eye.

  • Ann Kah

    But of course!

  • Michael

    I’m saying he doesn’t actually believe the implied principle behind his argument. He’s engaged in special pleading.

  • “It’s my faith” doesn’t give anyone the right to put other people in danger.

  • se habla espol

    Vaccine companies have legal immunity from being sued for problems under control only of others. The legal immunity is not present for issues they have control and influence over. Your claim otherwise is easily verified as being false, a propaganda claim by the anti-vax industry.

  • se habla espol

    Vaccines are a public health solution. There’s no valid issue.

  • se habla espol

    Your failure to join in the community immunity signals that you don’t wish to join in the community and receive any benefits from the community. Your failure to have your child join in the community immunity deprives the child of the benefits of the community, also. I’ll bet your response will be to try to lay claim to those benefits, as a socialist would.

  • Har Davids

    If I, for some reason, set myself on fire, my neighbours would be in their right to keep me out of their house. For the same reason, I should be kept out if infected by a contagious disease. And I’m sure the Founding Fathers would have approved of vaccinations; they were into reasonable thinking.

  • Artor

    My nephew is autistic. He’s brilliant, has perfect recall, and is fluent in 3 languages at age 14. Sure, he’s weird, but he’s not miserable.

  • Artor

    Liar.

  • Artor

    Because they don’t talk about their “strange” kids and don’t share their records? Why do you imagine they don’t have any?

  • Artor

    No he won’t.

  • Artor

    The death dates span 30 years. Some died at a year or two old, some made it to 20. There’s a lot of teenagers on that stone. I wonder how many infants died too early to count?

  • Artor

    Do you know why anti-vax is a joke? Because unvaccinated kids never get old.

  • Chakat Firepaw

    The autism rate before the 1930s is completely unknown¹ and before the late 1960s the rate data is basically garbage. It simply isn’t possible to compare the autism rate before and after events in the 19th century.

    So, care to back up your claims? or are you just going to bluster and pretend that it is up to others to disprove you?

    1: It wasn’t even a possible diagnosis until 1938 even though there are good records of people who were likely autistic in the mid-18th century and lower quality records at least as far back as the 16th.

  • Artor

    Isaac Newton and Thomas Jefferson are prime suspects. It’s tragic how their lives were ruined. RUINED I SAY!!!

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    An ab orti on doesn’t INFECT other people.

    So try again.

    Na styas s attempt at moral leveling there, though.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    Your right to swing your fi st stops at another’s nose.

    If you refuse to do your part to prevent disease and to foment it, society can justly reject you and force you to make do for yourself, and deny you a chance to harm those in society who WILL cooperate in an action with a very high positive value and a very low chance of a bad outcome, despite your chi ldis h attachment to lies that say otherwise.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    🙁

    Added to cr ankma gneti sm, it’ll end civilization.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    The state’s body is rejecting you as a agent of infection.

    We’re inoculating ourselves against you, as you’re an active danger to the body politic.

    You sound like a measles germ complaining.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    Me, too.

    I got a puncture that could be dangerous, so TDAP of some flavor for me.

    And living right over the border in CT from the loony anti-vaxxers in NY led me to re-up MMR as well.

    Combined with Shingrex, I’m hoping I’m set for a while.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    THAT old canard?

    It’s been demonstrated that autism is *genetic*, so parents are to blame for their kids’ autism.

    In fact, it’s been demonstrated that babies practically to young to focus their eyes can be autistic, and when caught then, it can be ameliorated.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    That’s an accusation.

    Got any data, or just your full-diaper whine?

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    This time, we got a Liar for Woo™, folks!

    This one couldn’t tell the truth if it’s LIFE depended on it.

    It’s all about fear and feeling ‘spayshul’ and supposedly knowing what other’s don’t.

    Pitiful, really.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    Nope.

    YOUR KIND want to blame everybody but YOURSELVES.

    Not our circus, not our monkeys. And if you try to claim that vaccines cause low-functioning autism, I WANT STUDIES, NOT JUST YOUR WORTHLESS RANTS!

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    I’ve often wondered if I might be on the spectrum, but am too lazy to ever chase it down.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    ‘Research!’

    The whine of the loser with no reputable citations to bring to the table.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    May I use “Blunt Crayon Brigade”?

    It’s *delicious*.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    And in fact, the ‘supplements’ the anti-vax shil ls push are UNREGULATED, because they bribe powerful Congresscritters to avoid oversight or even purity of ingredient testing.

    It’s all about defending the anti-vaxxers’ Dunning-Kruger.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    That’s horsefeathers, and if you had a grain of integrity you’d withdraw that lie and apologize.

    Of course, since you’re deluded and the delusion is defending itself, I’m not expecting that.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    The same gastroenterologist was also trying to market his own new measles-only vaccine while he was throwing shade on the MMR.

  • Phil Rimmer

    My favourite Autist from the eighteenth century is the scientist Henry Cavendish. A sweet, deeply clever, man, terrified of other people.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    My grandfather’s older brother had a bad leg due to childhood polio back before polio was formerly identified. You’d better believe he got his children the vaccine the moment it became available, and it’s a good thing he did because Mom was exposed to polio when she was six.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I saw an article on Buzzfeed a while back about the oldest person to still be using an iron lung. She was diagnosed with polio the same year my mother was exposed to it.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I’m autistic. I find that preferable to coughing myself to death like two of my great uncles did.

    By the way, if autism is so new, why do accounts from parents of autistic children sound so much like changeling myths from thousands of years ago?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Going back even further, I’ve seen arguments that some myths about changelings may actually be based on accounts of autistic children. Before we knew anything about neurology, “fairies stole my child and replaced it with a duplicate” was probably as good an explanation as any.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Well, at least they won’t have to freak out over one of their children dying during another child’s funeral like my great-grandparents did.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    If this had anything to do with “Big Pharma’s” profits, they would be trying to get rid of vaccines. It’s much more expensive to treat than it is to prevent.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Sounds more likely that he got that bad because the rest of you abused him over his condition.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You mean the “research” that was fabricated out of wholecloth by a fraud who wanted to discredit an existing product so that he could have a market for his own?

  • Robert Serrano

    Not the way it works. You made the outlandish claim. You provide the evidence backing it up.

  • Robert Serrano

    I would suspect it’s just that we’ve somewhat broadened our definitions of what autism is and how it presents, as well as improved diagnostic tools.

  • Robert Serrano

    I’ve known many autistic people who lead almost perfectly normal, lives. I also have a cousin who is non-verbal. Your point would be? Hysterics (for lack of a better word) is not a proper guide for public health policy.

  • Robert Serrano

    Why is his gender relevant?

  • Robert Serrano

    Same assertion, different day. Same lack of supporting evidence.

  • Robert Serrano

    An abortion affects one person. Not vaccinating affects many more. Do the actual math.

  • karmacat

    You need to look up the difference between correlation and causation

  • Georgia Sam

    Correction: 1 in 54 kids now DIAGNOSED as autistic (assuming your numbers are right). Diagnosis rates vary not only with the actual prevalence of the condition; they also vary because of changes in definitions, protocols, & diagnostic methods.

  • persephone

    It was believed for decades that girls were a tiny minority of autistics, when the real number is closer to 50%, they just present differently.

  • persephone

    They’re now selling the idea that chemotherapy causes cancer. I do not understand how people who haven’t had chemotherapy get cancer, but apparently chemotherapy will give it to you.

  • persephone

    Every darn time they post links, it’s the same blog entry.

  • persephone

    It’s believed that Isaac Newton had high-functioning autism.

  • persephone

    My grandmother, my mother, myself, and my older son all show traits of high functioning autism. My grandmother was born in 1913, and my mother in 1936, so I don’t think they had much in the way of vaccinations.

  • persephone

    Personally, I believe that most of these people with relatives with disabilities don’t like to think that maybe their genetics aren’t perfect. It’s better to blame something that’s outside their control, instead of considering genetics and personal behaviors.

  • Dana W

    And if that was true that might mean something.

  • Dana W

    80 shots? I’ve been vaccinated for pretty much everything and you are pulling that number right out of your posterior.